Can you be both Catholic and liberal?

[Rock_Happy]

It is not the truth, it is a lie from Hell! I am not an angry person, Im just calling you on your rhetoric. And I am not misreading what you are saying. You have not addressed any of my points. You argue that Obamacare is something bad and your implications are that it should be repealed because it provides funding for abortions. But you ignored the fact that private health care insurance has been providing abortions on a much larger scale for years. Planned parenthood receives its abortion funding not by tax payers but by insurance premiums and women who pay for it out of pocket.

This makes me believe you don’t really care about abortions but are grandstanding here because you don’t want to have your tax dollars raised in order to cover tens of millions of more people for health care. Obamacare will literally save 45,000+ lives a year and cut down on the number of abortions…

To appeal Obamacare is to formally cooperate with a culture of greed and death. As I pointed out before it is immorally illicit to exploit one intrinsic evil (abortion) to ignore or show indifference to another (euthenasia). Obamacare forces insurance company’s to drop their abortion provisions and therefore far less abortions are being performed. But you don’t care about abortions you care about paying less taxes and having a smaller government even if that cost lives. You don’t have me fooled and neither do you have God fooled. Woe to you on the day of judgement!

You have not provided a solution and you have had many years to do so but you ignored the millions of people who were suffering and the tens of thousands per year who were being euthenized and the millions of children who were aborted by the power of capitalism. Your silence on this matter makes your intentions clear, that you want to return to the old system because thats the system you never did anything about. Instead, you casted in your lot with right wing conservatism, an apostacy which many Catholics have subsituted for the Holy Faith. Woe to you on the day of judgment (see Matthew 7:21-23).!

You clearly imply it and what matters is that publicly paid health care is very effective, dramatically cuts down on abortions and euthenasia and we have the data from other countries to prove that. What also matters is that the Catholic Church supports publicly paid health care while at the same time condemning the old US system of health care. The fact that you ignore these truths clearly demonstrates you are only Catholic in name but in practice, you support individualism which is an American concept opposed to Catholic teaching.

I didn’t agree with you that health care reform should be held hostage because women freely choose to have abortions. Only women can prevent abortions by acting morally and choosing not to have them. But only Health Care reform can prevent the wide spread euthenasia that private health care forces on the US public. Obamacare ended that quite nicely. Those who supported Obamacare actually supported human life and human dignity. Those who opposed it opposed human life and human dignity in order to save a few tax dollars. And they exploited abortion to advance that agenda. This is evil and you are cooperating with evil. Its time for you to start speaking the truth. Its time for you to stop paying lip service to pro life. Being pro life means its going to cost you something. I am willing to pay a lot more taxes if it means supporting human life and human dignity and you should be willing to do the same. Jesus told the rich man that unless he was willing to surrender all his wealth for the common good he could not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Hence, we need to render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God.

In Christ,

David

Why use such incendiary language? Is it to express anger, or is it to provoke it?

 

[davidmlamb]

This is where there is a disconnect between thought and reality.Providing Education- do public schools provide an education? Or do they condition children to follow orders and undermine their morality? Does increasing education funding increase education results? The emphatic verdict of our country’s history is NO…

But the emphatic verdict from the rest of the industrialized world is YES. Public education in China, India, Tiawan, France, Germany,Canada and the UK just to name a few is far superior to our public education and they are producing the future professionals of America. In other words, tomorrows American Engineers, Scientist, Doctors and Businessmen will be imported while we dumb down our education system. These countries invest a great deal of money to their public education system and they are producing America’s future. This is the true debt we are leaving to our grandchildren, the debt that comes from no education which leads to low paying jobs while imported people will employ us. So there is some serious problems with the proper administration of public funds to public schools. But the problem goes much deeper then this; many parents have to both work long hours in order to make ends meet and cannot dedicate the time they need to dicipline their children to study. Another problem is that everytime we increase public funds to schools, another public fund that was designated for schools gets diverted somewhere else. So there ends up being no net gain in funding public education while creating the illusion that one exists.

These are the things we need in order to improve our education system:

*More schools built and more teachers hired to shrink the size of the classrooms to no more then 15 students.
*Tutoring Centers for Math, Science, and English open before, during and after school including evenings and Saturday mornings.
*Enabling parents to be involved in their childrens education by social services which will allow one parent to be home with their children and oversee their homework gets done, and to identify academic and psychological problematic areas that may need additional tutoring or counciling.

• An effective diciplinary system that puts teachers and academic staff in charge of the students.

Caring for the Sick and poor- Money does not equal care. A check in the mail from the government can not provide the care that a human being who loves you can. Liberals may think and say they support caring for the sick and poor, but what their policies do is force someone else to give money to the sick and poor.

Liberals provided our society with Medicare and Social Security. So by your reasoning we can abolish these programs and the results will be loving families stepping up to the plate to provide the medical and social needs of their parents. Love is not enough to take care of a an aging loved one. You need skills, time and LOTS OF MONEY as well as the willingness to do this. The majority of working Americans just do not have the resources to accomplish this. My mom is an aging parent and I do everything I can to help her but their is no way either me or my wife could take care of her around the clock and pay her doctor bills. We need the help of those liberal programs to accomplish the task. The Catholic Church teaches us that social services are neccassary and to remove them is evil (CCC 2288).

The answer to these problems is to make people have to qualify for Social Security and Medicare based on income and assets. If David Lamb retires with 3 houses with a net equity of 750,000 dollars and a private retirement income of 84K a year then he should not be able to collect social security and must meet a very high deductable before he can collect a dime of Medicare benefits. He has the resources to buy his own health insurance and live comfortably for the rest of his life. On the other hand you have Dale Lamb who has worked hard all his life but made a mediocre salary which barely met the bills. He owns a modest home and has a retirement pension of 1500 dollars a month. He would qualify for Medicare and SS because he is vulnerable.

An earlier poster put it very well…the first Christians didn’t demand the Roman Emperor setup “social welfare” programs run by the government for the poor. They simply went out and took care of the poor.

Yes they did and how were they able to accomplish this? They set up an ecclesiastical social welfare system were all the wealth was divided so that all the needs were met. Are you prepared to sell off all your luxuries and real estate and hand over your paycheck and proceeds to the local diocese so they can confiscate what they need to give to those in need and give you the rest?

That is how the early Church operated. If the Church operated this way today we would not need the help of the government. So if you want to return to that system of economics you have to be willing to live a meager life by keeping only the amount of income you need to meet your expensis and give the rest to Catholic Charities. If not then Social Welfare administered by the state is a much more efficent way of accomplishing this. Catholic Charities works with the government to administer Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps and even assisted living and nursing home care. At least this is what my parish does through Catholic charities. But they do this with public money and not private donations alone I believe that the burden of providing social welfare to people with limited resourses is a burden that both the state and the Church should carry.

Peace,
David

 

[davidmlamb]

Part I

David,You presume to know an awful lot about me.

The evidence from your own writings supports my assumption. The bible say’s that out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. You have not really denied any of my assumptions about you either.

Do private insurance companies support abortion? Yes, some do…

Most do. 88% to be exact. That is until Obamacare which prevents any private health care insurance plan that participates in the new law from having abortion coverage. Guess what? nearly all of them are participating.

However, a citizen is not forced to do business with private insurance companies that support abortion. There is an option for citizens to support life by their choice of insurance company…

You are wrong. Most people have health coverage through their employers. They are “forced” to go with the health insurance plan their company offers them or face not covering their family at all which would be morally unacceptable. Moreover, most Christians do not even consider the fact that their insurance premiums pay for abortion. That is because conservatism forgot to mention it. Why did they forget to mention it? Because conservatism does not care about abortion, it cares about profit, less government and less taxes.

When you choose not to pay your taxes you can go to jail. Taxes aren’t voluntary. That is the difference between governement funded abortion and privately funded abortion. Both are evil. Taxfunding subject everyone to supporting the evil…

Your argument implies that paying taxes is evil. Guess what, the Roman Empire used some of their tax dollars to support infanticide, abortion, and euthenasia. Recall that Mary Joseph and Jesus were forced to flee to Egypt because King Herod ordered the Roman Empire’s military to kill every male child two years and younger. Yet when the religious leaders asked Jesus if it was right to pay taxes to Caesar guess what he said? His answer implies YES! It was right to pay taxes to Caesar! Even though Caesar “forced” its citizens to pay for abortion, euthenasia, and infanticide. To make matters more detrimental to your case. Jesus pulled a coin out of a fishes mouth to pay taxes to Caesar knowing that Caesar used those tax “dollars” to support infantiside, abortion, and euthenasia on a far bigger scale then we have today. The same is true for Saint Paul; he knew the Roman Empire used tax dollars to support these things yet he still commanded that the Romans pay taxes to support the government. So you really do not have a case against Obamacare. Health Care reform supports the common good and that is the real issue here.

Who are the 45,000 people who died each year before and will be saved by “obamacare”? What did they die from? How would they have been saved?.

I’ve already addressed this but I will address it again. Private insurance companies routinely withheld life saving procedures so that the patient would die and they did nopt have to pay. Private insurance companies loyalties are not to their medical patients but their stock holders. They are in the business to make money. 45,000 people a year have died as a direct result of this. This is euthenasia. This doesn’t even count the amount of people who died because they could not afford health insurance. Private medical insurance companies routinely denied pre-existing conditions and this also cost lives. All of this is euthenasia.

You repeatedly said that “Obamacare” will end euthenasia. I strongly disagree. It will promote it. When a government panel makes decisions on which lives are “worth” saving from a cost standpoint, how will the elderly, infirm, and mentally handicapped fare? Poorly I think

Can you give me one example of a government panal deciding who is going to live and who is going to die from Medicare? How about Military health care? How about the VA? If you cannot provide examples which clearly demonstrate the government routinely does this then you have no case. But to support your argument I can give one example of government healthcare euthenizing 2 people with 97 more in line. That example can be found in Arizona. Arizona’s Medicaid plan called ACCS use to pay for life saving organ transplants until they implemented a death panel. Guess who was the one person death panel? Right wing conservative Governor Jan Brewer! That’s right! And guess who came to their rescue? Give up? Former MSNBC Anchor man Keith Olbermann! He set up a donation to these people and millions of left wingers contributed. It only took 5 million dollars to save these people’s lives but right wingers did not feel these poor people deserved to live. Left wingers did! Why? Because right wingers don’t really care about euthenasia, they care about paying less taxes and a smaller government even if that cost lives.

Peace,

David

 

[davidmlamb]

Part II

You also missed my point regarding abortions caused by “contraceptives”. Abortion statistics are not totally useless. We know abortions are happening. However, the stats on how many abortions occur are all TOO LOW, because of how many are caused by “contraceptives”. The medical community has redefined conception and pregnancy to being at implantation. Conception occurs at fertilization. Most chemical birth control can prevent implantation if it fails to prevent fertilization. That is the killing of a human being aka abortion. The horror of the killing is added to by how many woman (and men) don’t even know that this can and does occur, because the culture lies to them about what they are doing.

If you are talking about the morning after pill which prevents a fertilized egg from attaching itself to the uterin wall then yes this is a type of abortion. But I believe the Catholic Church allows this in cases of rape (let Catholic Answers correct me if I am wrong about this). Abortion implies the direct killing of the fetus. The morning after pill does not directly kill the fetus. It just prevents the fertilized egg (a human life) from attaching itself to the uterin wall and therefore the child dies as an indirect result. I will give you another example. A tubal pregnancy happens when the fetilized egg (a human life) attaches itself inside the falopian tube instead of the uterin wall. When this happens the falopian tube is surgically removed and as an indirect result the fetus dies. Catholic hospitals perform tubal ligations and I think they also administer the morning after pill to patients who were raped. These are justifiable “homicides.”

Peace,

David

 

[AHapka]

The answer to these problems is to make people have to qualify for Social Security and Medicare based on income and assets. If David Lamb retires with 3 houses with a net equity of 750,000 dollars and a private retirement income of 84K a year then he should not be able to collect social security

The only problem I have with this is that he was forced to pay into Social Security and told he would collect benefits upon retirement.

If you want to change the system for anyone not yet in it, that’s one thing…but to change it for those who had different expectations…

 

[davidmlamb]

Why use such incendiary language? Is it to express anger, or is it to provoke it?

It is passion to correct error! Jesus overtuned the money changers from the merchants in the Temple. He called the the leaders of the Sanhedrin “A Brood of Vipers,” White “Washed Tombs” and said they made their “converts twice the son of Hell” they were. The Catholic Church and the Catholic faith are under direct attack from the apostasy of right wing conservatism. I am doing what I am called to do. Defend the Holy Catholic and Apostolic faith.

Let me tell you a little bit about myself. I am a Catholic revert. I have known Christ all my life. I was baptized into the Catholic faith when I was 1 month old in September of 1960. My parents divorced in 1971 and both remarried quickly. Hence they were both excommunicated. When theyv were excommunicated my mother took us to a Lutheran Church. I still went to mass on occasions like in the summers when I stayed with my grandmother. Eventually my mother took us to whatever Church we wanted to go too so as long as it was Christian. So I went to many different Churches but ofet went to mass. You can see that I became vulnerable to Protestantism. Eventually I became “saved” in the Assemblies of God and was an Evangelical for 18 years. Not only was I an Evangelical but I was also a right wing conservative during those years. However, it was the bible which lead me back to the Catholic Church and it was the Bible and the Church which lead me to the values I hold. I never even heard of a Catholic apologist until after I came back to the Catholic Church. The more I read scripture the more Catholic it became until I realized, the bible is teaching the Catholic faith and no other gospel!

I naturally gravitated to Catholic apologetics and for the first 8 years I took on some of the worst Protestant apologist such as King James White. Fofr an amature I beat up on these guys pretty well. Its easy to win a debate when you have passion and the truth on your side. But in 2006 my apologetics took a different direction I began to defend the social justice teachings of the Church against Catholics! It is sad because conservative Catholics are abandoning Catholic teachings for a different gospel. I feel it is my mission to correct this very grave error that threatens many souls and many lives. The Bible teaches us that Satan often Masquarades as an angel of light. I believe that right wing conservatism is the spirit of the anti Christ. This is the very same spirit that crawled into the souls of those who Sat on the Seat of Moses during the time of Jesus. And they crucified the Lord of glory!

Whatever we as a society allow to happen to the weak and vulnerable, to the middle class wage earners that threatens their stability and families we are doing it to Jesus. We are driving the nails in the hands and feet of Jesus. We are stretching his body on the cross and dislocating his limbs. We spit on him, mock him put a crown of thorns on his head and force him to carry his own cross after we beat him 39 times. Whatever we do to the least of humanity, we do it to Christ.

Peace,
David

 

[davidmlamb]

The only problem I have with this is that he was forced to pay into Social Security and told he would collect benefits upon retirement.

If you want to change the system for anyone not yet in it, that’s one thing…but to change it for those who had different expectations…

That’s tough! Social Security and Medicare is a tax and not a savings account. It takes at least 7-12 hard working people at Walmart to provide social security benefits to the retired wealthy. That’s Socialism! Why should Joe and Cathy Smith who have a retirement income of 12,000 dollars a month and own two palaces in California worth nearly 2 million dollars have to collect 3000 dollars in social security benefits and tens of thousands of dollars Medicare benefits from those of us who are working? Isnt this redistribution of wealth that so many conservatives claim is evil? Because they paid into it is not good enough! That’s how socialism works, you pay into a government program and you receive a government benefit. Conservatives don’t want socialism unless they are on the receiving end.

Laws can change to support the common good. A person who is well off does not need his income and health care subsidized by tax payers. Social Security was intended for the social welfare of people. The advantages do not need social welfare. If Medicare and Social Security are going broke then this means that unless we fix the system the “promise” will be broken to everyone. But if we re-assess our values to be in line with justice and righteousness. Then such a well informed conscience should tell us it is morally wrong for the rich to bankrupt a system that was meant to provide social welfare to the aging disadvantages

We simply cannot afford to subsidize the rich anymore. We are broke remember?

Peace,

David
.

 

[Dan_Daly]

If you are talking about the morning after pill which prevents a fertilized egg from attaching itself to the uterin wall then yes this is a type of abortion. But I believe the Catholic Church allows this in cases of rape (let Catholic Answers correct me if I am wrong about this). Abortion implies the direct killing of the fetus. The morning after pill does not directly kill the fetus. It just prevents the fertilized egg (a human life) from attaching itself to the uterin wall and therefore the child dies as an indirect result. I will give you another example. A tubal pregnancy happens when the fetilized egg (a human life) attaches itself inside the falopian tube instead of the uterin wall. When this happens the falopian tube is surgically removed and as an indirect result the fetus dies. Catholic hospitals perform tubal ligations and I think they also administer the morning after pill to patients who were raped. These are justifiable “homicides.”

This is not Church teaching.

There is no exception for abortion in cases of rape. This makes sense, as in no other crime do you execute the victim’s or defendant’s child for what the defendant did.

“The Pill” is not permissible to use. As you say it is can cause an abortion. Preventing a fertilized egg (a human being) from attaching itself to the uterin wall is a DIRECT abortion, and not permitted. Calling it an “inderect result” would be like shutting a small child in a closet, letting them starve to death, and saying “well I didn’t kill them directly, they just ran out of food”.

Furthermore, even if “the pill” did not cause abortions (although we both agree it does) it would still be sinful to use, because contraception is evil in and of itself. For example, a condom doesn’t cause an abortion, but it is still sinful to use.

 

[Dan_Daly]

The Catholic Church teaches us that social services are neccassary and to remove them is evil (CCC 2288).

2288 Life and physical health are precious gifts entrusted to us by God. We must take reasonable care of them, taking into account the needs of others and the common good.

Concern for the health of its citizens requires that society help in the attainment of living-conditions that allow them to grow and reach maturity: food and clothing, housing, health care, basic education, employment, and social assistance.

Nothing in there saying the government is responsible for social services. Society does not equal the government. Furthermore labeling something a “social service” doesn’t automatically make it a good. The devil is truly in the details. For example, what is often included under the label of “social services”? Abortion and contraception.

The Church teaches that we must provide food, clothing, and shelter for the needy. It does not say we must agree with government welfare programs.

The Church teaches we must provide education for children. It does not say we must support government schools.

The Church teaches we must seek to help others have good health. It doesn’t say we must support Obamacare.

Pax

 

[jdau]

Nothing in there saying the government is responsible for social services. Society does not equal the government. Furthermore labeling something a “social service” doesn’t automatically make it a good. The devil is truly in the details. For example, what is often included under the label of “social services”? Abortion and contraception.

The Church teaches that we must provide food, clothing, and shelter for the needy. It does not say we must agree with government welfare programs.

The Church teaches we must provide education for children. It does not say we must support government schools.

The Church teaches we must seek to help others have good health. It doesn’t say we must support Obamacare.

Pax

 

[jdau]

Amen to what you just wrote!
The Church teaches that Love is the reason we should from our heart and from our pocketbook help the poor, feed the hungry, visit the sick and imprisoned, etc NOT pay a government who forces us to do so by taxation… Isn’t that what Jesus told us many times.

 

[MillTownCath]

Hi all~

I know that you cannot be both Catholic and pro-choice due to what we believe and practice as Catholics, but is it possible to be a liberal and still be a good Catholic? A lot of my extended family is left-wing, yet claim to be Catholic. My immediate family is fully conservative, however, and I have never doubted that. Is it that I don’t fully understand the term “liberal” and think that you must automatically be conservative if you’re Catholic?

Please help me understand and excuse my political ignorance…

~Therese

The real question is, can you be Catholic and not somewhat liberal. If you’re pro-war and pro-death penalty, you’re directly against the Church’s teaching.

If you’re against taking care of the earth, anti-poor and anti-labor, you’re going against things that the Church has a long history of defending.

 

[MillTownCath]

Nothing in there saying the government is responsible for social services. Society does not equal the government. Furthermore labeling something a “social service” doesn’t automatically make it a good. The devil is truly in the details. For example, what is often included under the label of “social services”? Abortion and contraception.

The Church teaches that we must provide food, clothing, and shelter for the needy. It does not say we must agree with government welfare programs.

The Church teaches we must provide education for children. It does not say we must support government schools.

The Church teaches we must seek to help others have good health. It doesn’t say we must support Obamacare.

Pax

If you want to make schools, healthcare, and food to everyone who needs it, government is the best way we have right now.

Why do you think we have to have the government public school system? Because it’s not profitable for any private company to provide education to the poor, and the Church cannot afford that. Catholic Schools are often too expensive for the poor, and there aren’t enough to go around for the entire nation.

If you don’t want to pay for social programs for the poor, that’s fine, but where can I sign so I don’t have to pay for the much more expensive unjust wars we have been in for 10 years?

People in this nation are dying of curable sicknesses because they do not have access to health care. If government isn’t allowed to help them, can you people who keep saying this “we shouldn’t force charity” line do something to help them?

Do you believe we shouldn’t have programs to help those with disabilities who cannot do a whole lot on their own?

 

[zz912]

The real question is, can you be Catholic and not somewhat liberal. If you’re pro-war and pro-death penalty, you’re directly against the Church’s teaching.

If you’re against taking care of the earth, anti-poor and anti-labor, you’re going against things that the Church has a long history of defending.

Boy have you been drinking some bilge water. Where did you ever learn that conservatives are pro-war, anti-poor, or anti-clean earth? This is laughable and tells everyone you are not a serious person to discuss issues with.

 

[jdau]

Not just that, ZZ, - good points; but, where in Catholic Doctrine does it say we MUST be against all war, against the death penalty?

 

[zz912]

Why do you think we have to have the government public school system? Because it’s not profitable for any private company to provide education to the poor, and the Church cannot afford that. Catholic Schools are often too expensive for the poor, and there aren’t enough to go around for the entire nation.

Govt runs the schools for money and power. Period.

Your county/state could give a voucher to every kid for their full tuition and STILL save over half the money spent now in govt schools.

I don’t understand Catholics who support discrimination against Catholic schools. A Catholic parent has to pay taxes supporting all the govt schools, and then pay out of pocket to send ther own child to Catholic school.

 

[davidmlamb]

This is not Church teaching.

There is no exception for abortion in cases of rape. This makes sense, as in no other crime do you execute the victim’s or defendant’s child for what the defendant did.

“The Pill” is not permissible to use. As you say it is can cause an abortion. Preventing a fertilized egg (a human being) from attaching itself to the uterin wall is a DIRECT abortion, and not permitted. Calling it an “inderect result” would be like shutting a small child in a closet, letting them starve to death, and saying “well I didn’t kill them directly, they just ran out of food”.

Furthermore, even if “the pill” did not cause abortions (although we both agree it does) it would still be sinful to use, because contraception is evil in and of itself. For example, a condom doesn’t cause an abortion, but it is still sinful to use.

Dan, I was not sure about the morning after pill so I went to the USCCB Website and researched it. Your are right, released in 2000 by the Pontifical Academy for Life, “the proven ‘anti-implantation’ action of the morning-after pill is really nothing other than a chemically induced abortion.”

That being said, in September of 2007, the Catholic Bishops responding to a Connecticut law that “does not allow medical professionals to take into account the results of [an] ovulation test,” have declared that Catholic hospitals in Connecticut can administer the Plan B “morning after” pill to rape victims, as long as a pregnancy test does not indicate that the woman is pregnant.

Be that as it may, as I pointed out before, because the right to obtain an abortion is the law of the land, the medical community is going to procure them whether the health care is administered privately or publicly. However, it is administered on a much larger scale privately then publicly. Whether one pays for abortions with insurance premiums or taxes it makes no diference. So there is simply no justification for overturning Obamacare. There is however justification for reforming Obamacare to a single payer Medicare for all system. It is morally illicit to exploit one intrinisic evil (abortion) in order to promote, ignore, or show indifference to another intrinsic evil (euthenasia). Universal Health Care is now an international thing. Every country has publicly paid mnedicine and everyone of those countries have provisions for abortion under certain circumstances. And yet neither the Vatican, the Pope, or the Bishops of the world have called for “government control” health care to be abolished and replaced with Corporate Health Care. I think your arguments clearly imply that because tax payers may have some of their tax dollars funneled to abortions we should abandoned public health care and replace it with corporate health care. Your argument is immoral because it invokes the principle of exploiting abortion in order to promote another system that does the exact same thing except on a much larger scale. That Dan is morally repugnant.

David

 

[MillTownCath]

Govt runs the schools for money and power. Period.

Your county/state could give a voucher to every kid for their full tuition and STILL save over half the money spent now in govt schools.

I don’t understand Catholics who support discrimination against Catholic schools. A Catholic parent has to pay taxes supporting all the govt schools, and then pay out of pocket to send ther own child to Catholic school.

I was able to go to a Catholic school because my parents could afford it, but many cannot. There aren’t enough private schools in the country right now for all American kids.

 

[MillTownCath]

Boy have you been drinking some bilge water. Where did you ever learn that conservatives are pro-war, anti-poor, or anti-clean earth? This is laughable and tells everyone you are not a serious person to discuss issues with.

Over the past few decades, the men have generally started to identify more with the Republican party, and women with the Democratic. One of the reasons is the parties are now more Hawks vs Doves. Republicans/conservatives prefer military action to Democrats/liberals to less military action/more diplomacy.

And any pollution/waste regulation is just socialism! Come on you know that!

And anyone who is poor is just lazy, and we don’t need big government socialism giving people access to decent healthcare/education.

 

[zz912]

I was able to go to a Catholic school because my parents could afford it, but many cannot. There aren’t enough private schools in the country right now for all American kids.

There would be if we broke up the monopoly that govt schools have on taxpayer money for education. Private and parochial schools would blossom. And education would start to improve in this country. But we have an entrenched cabal in Big Education who through their greed refuse to allow others freedom.