Can you be bought? What's your price?

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Do you believe the statement that everyone has their price, that they can be bought?

Would you lie to keep your job, or would you stand firm and refuse? What would it take for you to abandon your beliefs?

Have you been tested? If so, can you share what happened?

I recently walked away from a very good job after just 7 days because I was expected to lie on a daily basis.

How prevalent is lying/dishonesty in the workplace today? Do you somehow justify it or have you found an ethical employer?
 
oh I hate these kind of questions because they really REALLY make me have to think.

There is the “Boy I sure hope I would do this” line of thought and then there is the “Thank GOD I have not been put in that position” line of thought.

I hope, because I really want this to be true and I work every day to walk closer and closer to being like Jesus Christ, that my price is “Heaven”.

Does that make any sense?

I have been tested in very little ways and the toughest part has been to ignore that whisper of a voice that says “No one will like you and you will be all alone if you stand firm on this” that seems to pop into my head. EVERY single time that has turned out to be a lie - but, that voice still pops up…amazing.
 
I got very good teaching by example from my parents, who each left jobs, at definite economic and career costs and penalties, because they objected to unchristian practices and policies. they let us know why they made their decisions, what the consequences would be to the family and why it was necessary. DH also has turned down lucrative contracts on moral grounds and let our kids know why the family was paying a price for these decisions. My kids look up to their father as the most morally upright man they know, they know he will not lie, put up with crude, abusive ethnic or anti-women talk or jokes, lives his faith in every aspect, will not lie, cheat or steal even in minor matters. Thankfully they looked for husbands with the same qualities. I left the dream job of my profession after a long haul getting MA, internship etc. on a moral issue that affected a lot of people and two major institutions, one government and one private, thanks to a wise bishop who steered me through the moral quagmire of my decision. Leaving that job pretty much black-listed me from applying for similar jobs and initiated a career change late in life.
 
wacky_wonderful said:
Do you believe the statement that everyone has their price, that they can be bought?

Would you lie to keep your job, or would you stand firm and refuse? What would it take for you to abandon your beliefs?

Have you been tested? If so, can you share what happened?

I recently walked away from a very good job after just 7 days because I was expected to lie on a daily basis.

How prevalent is lying/dishonesty in the workplace today? Do you somehow justify it or have you found an ethical employer?
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How, specifically, were you asked to lie?

I mean, there are situations were proprietary company information cannot be leaked before it’s officially released… and to suggest that this information exsists would be wrong…
So, if asked directly, for the sake of the company and your job you are not suppossed to release the information…
(for example… say a technology company has just discovered something that is worthy of a patent… and that information shouldn’t be shared prior to being released… for example…)

Is that considered a LIE?
 
We were all bought at a price.

Jesus paid for us with his blood.

So yes we are all bought.
 
Em_in_FL said:
How, specifically, were you asked to lie?

If you have a job that requires you to drive a route, then clocking in/out is done differently than if you were in an office environment. You can do it from your cell phone or the phone at the account where you are beginning your day. I was told to clock in at 8, regardless of where I was or what I was doing. So, I would be implying that I was at a particular place at a certain time, and it was not true. What happens if you get in a car wreck and you are then questioned on why records show you were already at work? What a nightmare! No thanks! I never did find out who was ultimately getting the info and why it was so important to lie to them. But then this was just one of the lies that was required, there were others.

As for sharing proprietary info., that is completely different and when faced with that situation, I have kept my mouth shut.
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wacky_wonderful said:
If you have a job that requires you to drive a route, then clocking in/out is done differently than if you were in an office environment. You can do it from your cell phone or the phone at the account where you are beginning your day. I was told to clock in at 8, regardless of where I was or what I was doing. So, I would be implying that I was at a particular place at a certain time, and it was not true. .
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ahhh I understand now…
Good for you standing up for what was right… that was a good choice!!!
 
I would think that many people have a very low price.

Perhaps $.05 or $.10 —
Maybe a $3 - $5 Dollars
Or perhaps around $20

Most moral upstanding folks can clearly oppose an immoral unethical practice to the tune of $1,000,000 —

But it is much more difficult to avoid the
“little compromises” - the “little cheats” and “frauds”

:o
 
I lie to cold call sales people everyday.
I work a switchboard for the corporate headquarters of a global technology company.
Sales people call continously for titles and e-mail addresses. I tell them I do not have titles and e-mail addresses, though I do.
If I gave them all out, the people here would be inundated with unwanted and unsolicited e-mails and messages.
And, I have been told by my boss to not give out this info unless the caller can identify, by name, the person to whom he/she wishes to speak.
Maybe I should confess this? I never really though about it before. Am I being scrupulous now? I’m sort of confused here. :confused:
 
wacky_wonderful said:
Do you believe the statement that everyone has their price, that they can be bought?

Would you lie to keep your job, or would you stand firm and refuse? What would it take for you to abandon your beliefs?

Have you been tested? If so, can you share what happened?

I recently walked away from a very good job after just 7 days because I was expected to lie on a daily basis.

How prevalent is lying/dishonesty in the workplace today? Do you somehow justify it or have you found an ethical employer?
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I will only be bought when I see Jesus face to face and he says (I hope) “Well done, my good and faithful servent”.

But in reality, I don’t deserve it. None of us do. But if we ask for it, we can receive it. That’s how “cheaply” we can all be bought. Just ask and it will be given to us. I just wish people would remember that their souls could be bought and give to Jesus for very little, but yet they refuse.

Why? I don’t know. That is much to sophisticated for me. But good job for standing up for yourself and your morals.
 
catsrus said:
I lie to cold call sales people everyday.
I work a switchboard for the corporate headquarters of a global technology company. And, I have been told by my boss to not give out this info unless the caller can identify, by name, the person to whom he/she wishes to speak.
Maybe I should confess this? I never really though about it before. Am I being scrupulous now? I’m sort of confused here. :confused:
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What I would say to the caller is what your boss said: Tell me to whom you wish to speak, and then I can help you. I wouldn’t tell them I don’t have the info if in fact I do. As for confessing it…it depends on the priest you are confessing to. One priest told me that if someone is not entitled to the truth, then you can lie to them. Example: suppose you use ABC and a friend asks you if you are using it. It’s none of her business, so you get to say (according to the moral theologians, so says the priest) NO. But if you were being asked the same question by your ob/gyn, who does have a right to the truth, then you say YES. If you weren’t confused before, this ought to do it!!
 
wacky_wonderful said:
What I would say to the caller is what your boss said: Tell me to whom you wish to speak, and then I can help you. I wouldn’t tell them I don’t have the info if in fact I do. As for confessing it…it depends on the priest you are confessing to. One priest told me that if someone is not entitled to the truth, then you can lie to them. Example: suppose you use ABC and a friend asks you if you are using it. It’s none of her business, so you get to say (according to the moral theologians, so says the priest) NO. But if you were being asked the same question by your ob/gyn, who does have a right to the truth, then you say YES. If you weren’t confused before, this ought to do it!!
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Huh?

Well, I’m confused 😛

And, intrigued.
 
catsrus said:
I lie to cold call sales people everyday.
I work a switchboard for the corporate headquarters of a global technology company.
Sales people call continously for titles and e-mail addresses. I tell them I do not have titles and e-mail addresses, though I do.
If I gave them all out, the people here would be inundated with unwanted and unsolicited e-mails and messages.
And, I have been told by my boss to not give out this info unless the caller can identify, by name, the person to whom he/she wishes to speak.
Maybe I should confess this? I never really though about it before. Am I being scrupulous now? I’m sort of confused here. :confused:
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These people are not entitled to this information. Giving them these titles, or switching them to somebody, or even asking to whom they wish to speak, is a waste of time. They are doing low-tech phising. A better answer might be, once you find out it’s a sales person, is to simply say, “Have a nice day” disconnect them, and move on in the phone queue. To my mind, this is hardly confession material.
 
leonie said:
Huh?Well, I’m confused 😛 And, intrigued.
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The 10 Commandments are not the 10 Suggestions, regardless of what the moral theologians say! How many MT’s are there? Where are they?
 
puzzleannie said:
I got very good teaching by example from my parents, who each left jobs, at definite economic and career costs and penalties, because they objected to unchristian practices and policies. they let us know why they made their decisions, what the consequences would be to the family and why it was necessary. DH also has turned down lucrative contracts on moral grounds and let our kids know why the family was paying a price for these decisions. My kids look up to their father as the most morally upright man they know, they know he will not lie, put up with crude, abusive ethnic or anti-women talk or jokes, lives his faith in every aspect, will not lie, cheat or steal even in minor matters. Thankfully they looked for husbands with the same qualities. I left the dream job of my profession after a long haul getting MA, internship etc. on a moral issue that affected a lot of people and two major institutions, one government and one private, thanks to a wise bishop who steered me through the moral quagmire of my decision. Leaving that job pretty much black-listed me from applying for similar jobs and initiated a career change late in life.
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In my family I have both an excelent example of integrity and a poor one. My mom just left a job because they wanted her to do something unethical and is now at half salary (which hurts the family a lot, but we all agree that it was the right thing to do). My dad, on the other hand, was almost fired from his job for not coming out with the truth when he knew it would effect the situation.

I hope when I’m presented with a simliar situation I’ll have my mom’s integrity.
 
Lady_Cygnus said:
In my family I have both an excelent example of integrity and a poor one. My mom just left a job because they wanted her to do something unethical and is now at half salary (which hurts the family a lot, but we all agree that it was the right thing to do). My dad, on the other hand, was almost fired from his job for not coming out with the truth when he knew it would effect the situation. I hope when I’m presented with a simliar situation I’ll have my mom’s integrity.
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Ouch, a double whammy. Long recovery time. I hope and pray that things improve quickly for your family.
 
Damascus said:
We were all bought at a price.

Jesus paid for us with his blood.

So yes we are all bought.
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And if you say “yes” to sin, you’ve sold out. I think it was St. Theresa of Avila who said that she felt as if there were days on which she could be bought with a sardine.

So, if you mean do I ever choose an apparent good over God’s will, which is the actual good, then yes, I have been bought.

I’d like to think would I never take employment that required deception (rather than discretion).
I have never had to watch my children get thin or sickly because I had no way to support them, though. I wish I could say that there is no circumstances under which I would refuse that kind of job, but as I have not been in every circumstance, I won’t say that.
 
I’d like to think would I never take employment that required deception (rather than discretion).
I have never had to watch my children get thin or sickly because I had no way to support them, though. I wish I could say that there is no circumstances under which I would refuse that kind of job, but as I have not been in every circumstance, I won’t say that.

In my case, I didn’t find out about the required lying until after I was in training.

Your statement about your children is disturbing because it sounds like you’re saying that if you were faced with a really dire situation, your faith would go out the window and you would do whatever you had to do (lie, cheat, steal, kill) to take care of your kids. Please tell me that’s not what you meant. God can and does see us through the really tough times, if we let Him.
 
Can’t you say something like “I’m sorry, but I’m unable to provide that information”, or something else that sounds nice but means nothing?
catsrus said:
I lie to cold call sales people everyday.
I work a switchboard for the corporate headquarters of a global technology company.
Sales people call continously for titles and e-mail addresses. I tell them I do not have titles and e-mail addresses, though I do.
If I gave them all out, the people here would be inundated with unwanted and unsolicited e-mails and messages.
And, I have been told by my boss to not give out this info unless the caller can identify, by name, the person to whom he/she wishes to speak.
Maybe I should confess this? I never really though about it before. Am I being scrupulous now? I’m sort of confused here. :confused:
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