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That’s not what the bible says.
You must ignore some scriptures to hold the dogma that you hold.
Catholics believe all of the bible.
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You must ignore some scriptures to hold the dogma that you hold.
Catholics believe all of the bible.
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2nd_Adam
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All Christians are given the ministry of reconcilation. Do you agree?
The Ministry of Reconciliation
11 Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade others. But what we are is known to God, and I hope it is known also to your conscience. 12 We are not commending ourselves to you again but giving you cause to boast about us, so that you may be able to answer those who boast about outward appearance and not about what is in the heart. 13 For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. [2] The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling [3] the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
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puppypatrol
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Not true. Read the text in context.
Who is Jesus talking to? Just the Apostles, not the general public. He also says he will send the Holy Spirit to “remind” them what he had told them already so they will be able to pass it on to future generations. No where does it say that the Holy Spirit will help future generations interpret his teachings.
There is a difference between our bringing a non-deadly sin to the attention of a sinner so he can pray and ask for forgiveness from God. We do not have the authority to forgive or even ask God for the forgiveness of someone elses sin.
From these readings you can see that Presbyters (priests) are appointed by the Church and are the only ones with any authority, whether it is to teach, heal, or forgiving of serious sins. Not just anyone has this authority. That is the difference in our priesthood and the priesthood of our older brothers in Christ.
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steve_b
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Just a clarification. Only because I can see what some here will try and do with this. The power to forgive and retain sins in the broadest sense, was given to the apostles. Not everyone. For example.I see that some Protestants are evading the question and diverting the topic towards 1 John. Catholics, please don’t let them evade the question!!!
I have often seen Protestants quote John 14:26
“But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.”
And many of them use this verse to mean that they don’t need any church authority to guide them, but rather the Holy Spirit himself helps them to correctly interpret scripture.
Why don’t they apply the same standard of interpretation to this verse then - John 20:22-23
"And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
It is the same Holy Spirit. If you say that the Holy Spirit enables you to interpret scripture infallibly (John 14:26), then you should also affirm that the Holy Spirit gives you the power to forgive and even retain sins.
- We can forgive each other for something we do to each other, but I can’t forgive you and you can’t forgive me for what you or I do/did to someone else.
- We can’t forgive mortal sin.
1 Jn 5, would make no sense if we all had the power to forgive any sin.
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steve_b
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Jas 5:15 was in the context of calling in the elders (presbyteros) and confessing sins to THEM
πρεσβύτερος presbyteros
among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably
14 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed.
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Bill_Pick
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And if you read your Bible you will see that Our Lord only breathed on some one two time in all the bible and this was One of them
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puppypatrol
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And it was only the Apostles, not everyone.
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steve_b
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The quote from 1 Jn 5, is not talking about people who are apart from Christ. Scripture is written in the Church, by the Church, to the Church. Scripture says not all sin is mortal.
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EVERYbody dies. Yet scripture says not all sin leads to death. Obviously death is used in a different context than death of the body.
You’re trying to justify around a very clear passage. Scripture does a good job in numbering many of the mortal sins (sins that will keep you out of heaven if not forgiven)
Do you want the list the scriptures give?
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jpaul1953
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*Dear 2ndAdam,It’s hard to come up with a doctrine from one Bible verse. Here are the verses Protestants use to confess our sin to God.I’m not sure if the Catholic Church understands this passage to confessing our sins directly to God, or through a Catholic Priest. Maybe someone can give my the Catholic interpertation of the passage in 1 John?
This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - 1 John
Why confess your sins to God Who already knows your sins. Saying you’re sorry to God for your sins is like saying you’re sorry for a sin you committed against someone who has recently died. The only one hearing it is God in both cases.
It’s real easy to say to God: “Forgive me oh merciful God.” It’s not so easy to say to another human being I have done this and that. This is why Jesus has us come to the clergy with our sins…so we will accept and own our evil nature. It is hard to tell the truth to another human being about the sometimes horrible things we’ve done.
Accountability is everything. From accountability we receive the gift of Humility, which is the heart of a child. We all know what Jesus said about the eyes of a child. Humility is the key to salvation
Many Catholics leave the Church because of their inability to seek confession as the real deal it is. So go on confessing your sins to God. I’ll continue to take my sins to my local priest who absolves my sins through the mercy of Jesus and permits me to own my sins which helps me not commit them again.
May God bless you.
jpaul1953*
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2nd_Adam
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Ultimately, we both see our source of forgivness to be flowing from Jesus Christ. We repent of our sins, and turn back the Christ through faith.
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Bill_Pick
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So you are just going to ignore the authority of Our Lord and the apostle teaching You don’t have the authority to ignore the apostle’s teachings. ,You must be one of the pick and choose Christians
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Carlan
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Thank you so much,jpaul, for responding in this simple and true way.
The sin of pride keeps many away from the Sacrament of reconciliation.It keeps many Protestants ignoring the Scripture John 20- 21-23:tsktsk: Carlan
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curtisbratcher
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do have a question on Catholic life. Do you guys ever confess your sin directly to God? It seems all Christians sin throughout the day; therefore, as a Catholic you would have to spend a lot of time at a Catholic Church
Of course we confess our sins to God. That’s how we know how to confess to the Priest.
In the course of our devotional life, God brings our sins before us and we confess them to God. With this knowledge of our sins we then go to the Priest and in the rite of reconciliation, we confess our sins and receive absolution, just the way Jesus created it.
Of course we confess our sins to God. That’s how we know how to confess to the Priest.
In the course of our devotional life, God brings our sins before us and we confess them to God. With this knowledge of our sins we then go to the Priest and in the rite of reconciliation, we confess our sins and receive absolution, just the way Jesus created it.
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Justy90
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I believe that much discernment from what Jesus says comes through the receiving of the Holy Ghost. The Apostles knew and understood and were given wisdom from God at this time and knew in their hearts beyond the description attainable by words what Jesus meant. The closer you follow Christ, the more he reveals through the Scriptures.
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