What about their immorality of poligamy? Or mis treatment of animals? Or abusing women and other classes of people. I’m not changing anything I do or think of any foreigner. When we disagree in our culture we debate it and maybe agree to disagree, in the cultures that are mad at us they bomb eachother when they disagree. I’m not going to live their archaic survival for the sake oof suvival lifestyle.This is why you have so much airport security, and why you have to carry identification with you where ever you go - because people in other countries are angry about the immorality that they see in America - not just the competitive overeating, but all of the excesses.
Well let me ask you this. Are you eating the 12 mini burgers SO that you get recognized?? Because that might fall under gluttony depending on how big these burgers actually are, but I would think that is would definitely fall under Pride. Pride is also one of the seven deadly sins.PeterMuz, thanks for posting that passage–to me it’s a very important one, and one of my arguments against some of the practices I was referring to. Maybe not eating 12 mini burgers one time you’re really hungry, but definitely the large scale contests that people “train” for by eating huge amounts of vegetables and drinking lots of water to stretch their stomachs. I read that the competitive eating organizations don’t condone this because it can be dangerous to one’s health, but competitors do it nonetheless.
I can definitely see our friend’s point that Catholics (and I would say other Christians) do need to lighten up, though! Do you think his eating 12 mini burgers and getting recognized by the restaurant in a small college town can be compared to the competitions that I’m talking about? I really don’t care about trying to figure out “where the line is” or anything like that! We’re not the judges–Christ is! Also, everyone needs different amounts and kinds of food to be healthy. I’m prone to believe that eating 12 mini burgers one time isn’t going to harm one’s health, may even be good for you! (My parents love to brag that I ate seven hot dogs one time when I was two years old.)
Personally, I think when it starts involving “tricking your body” for the sake of winning a competition and doing things your doctor warns against, it’s a problem. Your body is a temple! Little restaurant challenges are common and can be fun, let’s not condemn anything that resembles something “bad” or “unhealthy” for fear of a slippery slope. People do have some ability to discern.
In reality I’d consider eating contests in the realm of right and wrong to be in the neutral catagory. If you want to base an activity people do for fun and blowing off steam on waste, You could very easily consider all fun waste. In some cases where people do what they like and hurt no one, but I still don’t get it. I mind my own business.I understand your point, but you are talking it way too far if you think that can cover eating competitions. Yes we all need different things. Something may be unhealthy for you and healthy for me. For example, one of us could be allergic to wheat. Wheat has some good qualities about it. It can be a good source of fiber. But it could be bad for me if I am allergic.
Where you cross the line is what is morally right and wrong. You are making a relativistic argument. You are saying what is RIGHT for you may be WRONG for me. Thats relativism. My example is different because its not about how much you eat, its about WHAT you eat.
RelativismIn reality I’d consider eating contests in the realm of right and wrong to be in the neutral catagory. If you want to base an activity people do for fun and blowing off steam on waste, You could very easily consider all fun waste. In some cases where people do what they like and hurt no one, but I still don’t get it. I mind my own business.
I think it is possible to have a lot of fun in different ways. How about a tank where someone gets dunked in water when someone hits a bulls eye?It’s something that has been done a long time, and something for fun. Yes news flash human being need fun once in a while. Whats to Billy is not always fun to Bob. With the scale it’s done on, if you to get rid of all eating contests toda, no difference would be made in feedig the poor and hungery. This poo pooing on fun is yet another reason why I’m begining in little steps to dstance myself from other Catholics. Next thing I’ll be told that skipping stone across a pond is a waste of energy. Sheesh! Lighten up people. Jesus Christ’s first merice was done in order to keep a celebration a party going.
There was no king in Israel; every man did what was right in his own eyes. Judges 17.25In reality I’d consider eating contests in the realm of right and wrong to be in the neutral catagory. If you want to base an activity people do for fun and blowing off steam on waste, You could very easily consider all fun waste. In some cases where people do what they like and hurt no one, but I still don’t get it. I mind my own business.
By the way… What on earth makes you think I am against fun? There are a lot of things that are fun and a waste of time that I enjoy and do on somewhat of a regular basis. Like play video games, watch tv, read, etc.In reality I’d consider eating contests in the realm of right and wrong to be in the neutral catagory. If you want to base an activity people do for fun and blowing off steam on waste, You could very easily consider all fun waste. In some cases where people do what they like and hurt no one, but I still don’t get it. I mind my own business.
Very good point!There was no king in Israel; every man did what was right in his own eyes. Judges 17.25
Death can occur on the football field with a hit done just right. Death can occur in a demolition derby in one of many possibile freak accedents Death can occur in a softball game on account of a hardline off the right spot on the pitcher. ETc etcI think it is possible to have a lot of fun in different ways. How about a tank where someone gets dunked in water when someone hits a bulls eye?
Just do an internet search on “eating contest results in death” and you will be surprised. I just did that search.
I certainly wouldn’t want one of my children, or anyone, to be so enamored of winning a cash prize that they are willing to compromise their health.
There are so many other harmless ways of having fun.
Becuase of the reasoning you use for being against an eating contest can be applied to nearly anything.By the way… What on earth makes you think I am against fun? There are a lot of things that are fun and a waste of time that I enjoy and do on somewhat of a regular basis. Like play video games, watch tv, read, etc.
*please do not take this as me saying that all tv is bad or all reading is good or bad. There is plenty on tv or books that we all read that are a waste of time.
I tire of your arguments. Those opposed to you have used arguments based on authentic teachings of the Church. Yours are more along the lines of “You guys are no fun! You can’t tell me what to do! You’re not the boss of me!” Instead of bragging about the fact that you are confirmed, why don’t you try learning about submission to the Church?Becuase of the reasoning you use for being against an eating contest can be applied to nearly anything.
Thats absurd. That would be like me telling you, you are against anything that is good for you. Or that anything that can be bad for you is morally acceptable as long as you have fun.Becuase of the reasoning you use for being against an eating contest can be applied to nearly anything.
Israel has so much security because they are forcing Christians and Muslims out of homes their families have been living in for 2,000 years or more. Running a fence through a 600 year old Catholic orphanage such that the orphans are now living in a different province than their caregivers, making it illegal for their caregivers to give them breakfast or take them to school without having to cross an international border with a great deal of red tape and paperwork, not to mention the guns - even the Vatican is looking at Israel, and wondering what they are thinking about.Is that why Israel has so much security?
Um, the church has aid nothing against eating contests, by the same logic you could ban football, demolition derbys, tractor pulling, Heck one doesn’t have to go much further with that type of illogic to say I shoul’d not have pareticipated in the Mackinac bridge walk last month, after all that energy could of better spent other activites. It’s good to think over things, but there can come a point where one overanylises something, and that is clearly what is going on here.I tire of your arguments. Those opposed to you have used arguments based on authentic teachings of the Church. Yours are more along the lines of “You guys are no fun! You can’t tell me what to do! You’re not the boss of me!” Instead of bragging about the fact that you are confirmed, why don’t you try learning about submission to the Church?
Food gives us life, and we should not take more than we need. I don’t think this is a frivilous topic, and there is a different element here from football etc. and that is the food itself being a game, is disrespectful to God and to those who do not have enough to eat.Um, the church has aid nothing against eating contests, by the same logic you could ban football, demolition derbys, tractor pulling, Heck one doesn’t have to go much further with that type of illogic to say I shoul’d not have pareticipated in the Mackinac bridge walk last month, after all that energy could of better spent other activites. It’s good to think over things, but there can come a point where one overanylises something, and that is clearly what is going on here.
I was told her to submit my will to the church! thats why I said what I said as response to the submit my saying. Ofcourse I can think for myself! It’s thinking for my self that got ll the sniveling in this thread against me, People are mad at me for not goingwith the herd mentality. You say we should not take more then we need, that itself would have 100 different definitions from 100 different people. If you want to live a life of nothing byond survival, go right ahead, I as well as many others are going to live the full human experience, which means doing a few things for pleasure now and then. I refuse totally to be a Jansenist.Food gives us life, and we should not take more than we need. I don’t think this is a frivilous topic, and there is a different element here from football etc. and that is the food itself being a game, is disrespectful to God and to those who do not have enough to eat.
The Church says nothing about food contests? Sometimes you just have to use your head to figure out that something isn’t right.
We don’t need the Church to ban eating contests specifically! Are you kidding me? Have you heard of gluttony (1866)? How about the abuse of food (2290)? Our faith is one of reason, which means that we are supposed to use our brains. How are eating contests not an exercise in gluttony?Um, the church has aid nothing against eating contests, by the same logic you could ban football, demolition derbys, tractor pulling, Heck one doesn’t have to go much further with that type of illogic to say I shoul’d not have pareticipated in the Mackinac bridge walk last month, after all that energy could of better spent other activites. It’s good to think over things, but there can come a point where one overanylises something, and that is clearly what is going on here.
Gluttony is a matter of constant over eating! Aside from eating contests I think all of us at one time or another overate a time or two. That isn’t gluttony. My friend’s sister over eating by huge excess everyday and getting to be almost 600 pounds, now thats gluttony. I’d love to ream on any of you if you got on my mother’s case when she is having one of her once in a blue moon eating fits that her hypoglycemia caused. My defense of her wouldn’t be pretty I will say.We don’t need the Church to ban eating contests specifically! Are you kidding me? Have you heard of gluttony (1866)? How about the abuse of food (2290)? Our faith is one of reason, which means that we are supposed to use our brains. How are eating contests not an exercise in gluttony?
You have GOT to be kidding me. This takes the cake in moral relativism. If it is not gluttony, tell me how it is an example of temperance.Gluttony is a matter of constant over eating! Aside from eating contests I think all of us at one time or another overate a time or two. That isn’t gluttony. My friend’s sister over eating by huge excess everyday and getting to be almost 600 pounds, now thats gluttony. I’d love to ream on any of you if you got on my mother’s case when she is having one of her once in a blue moon eating fits that her hypoglycemia caused. My defense of her wouldn’t be pretty I will say.
There once was a Bishop in northweester Europe by the sirname of Jansen, who taught that we are to do what is needed to survive and go to Mass and nothing more, and that enjoyment of anything is a sin. Well I see plenty of that in this thread. By the way Jansenism was outwright condemned. Even the church back then had a hint of how humans are hard wired and knew this idea of survivalism is silly, and not how God ment humanbeings to live.
If you tell me you absolutely never overeated in your life time, theres noway I can take your seriously. It’s not moral reletivism. Example the ten commandments says thou shal nat kill, guess what if someone is coming at you with a knife and you shoot them dead, you are not sinning. If you are playing softball and you hit the ball off the pitcher’s head and it kills him you are not getting arrested for murder and neither is the church condemning you despite the fact that happened during a FUN activity. If eating contests are soooo evil where is your condemnation of smoking!You have GOT to be kidding me. This takes the cake in moral relativism. If it is not gluttony, tell me how it is an example of temperance.