Can you know Jesus if you don't talk to Him?

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Question occured to me via those who claim that they know Jesus because of the Holy Spirit and St. Paul’s writings, but, they are the same people who claim that they pray to God (the Father) through Jesus or In Jesus’ Name. If you only talk to the Father, but do not commune with Jesus, HOW can you know Jesus? Don’t you know the Father through Jesus, but, yet, you only pray to the Father.

And come to think of it, do you pray to the Holy Spirit? The view of Protestants (correct me, should I not be right) is that the Holy Spirit is within them when they accept Jesus, but, do you ever thank the Holy Spirit or ask Him anything?

If anybody choses to quote the Bible to answer anything here, please explain the passage as you understand it, no exceptions.

Thank you.

Charity to all, for all, and with all.
 
Well…the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Jesus, and the Son is God, the Spirit is God, the Father is God…so I do believe you can know Jesus without talking to Him. Plus, He’s in the gospels.
 
Can you know your mother by talking to her father? No!
You can know ABOUT her, but never come to know her.
A relationship this does not make!

I can know ABOUT Jesus from the Scriptures!

Though, I can only KNOW Jesus by having a relationship with Him.
My relationship with God the Father is uniquely different than my relationship with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Though in a mysterious sense they are all one and the same relationship.

God is my Father, but as Jesus God is my brother and His Spirit dwells in me and it is The Spirit whose voice I hear.

We must have a balanced prayer life with the entire Trinity.

We obey God as our Father, we become close to God as our Brother and we do this all by the Love which is His Holy Spirit.

I could go on for days and never say all that is on my mind concerning this subject. That is what I love about the Trinity!

Father I beg for Your Will so that I may trust Jesus and love with the Love of Your Spirit! Amen!
 
adstrinity said:
Question occured to me via those who claim that they know Jesus because of the Holy Spirit and St. Paul’s writings, but, they are the same people who claim that they pray to God (the Father) through Jesus or In Jesus’ Name. If you only talk to the Father, but do not commune with Jesus, HOW can you know Jesus? Don’t you know the Father through Jesus, but, yet, you only pray to the Father.

And come to think of it, do you pray to the Holy Spirit? The view of Protestants (correct me, should I not be right) is that the Holy Spirit is within them when they accept Jesus, but, do you ever thank the Holy Spirit or ask Him anything?

If anybody choses to quote the Bible to answer anything here, please explain the passage as you understand it, no exceptions.

Thank you.

Charity to all, for all, and with all.
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Just more unhelpful semantics.
 
tGette said:
Pardon me?
I do not understand what you mean by this.
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something more to try and discredit Protestants and demean them at every turn. They beat sola scriptura into the ground and now are trying something else. Jesus is God and when we pray to him we pray to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The creator, the redeemer and the sanctifier, they all hear our prayers respectfully in their infinite capacity.
 
SIA said:
something more to try and discredit Protestants and demean them at every turn. They beat sola scriptura into the ground and now are trying something else. Jesus is God and when we pray to him we pray to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The creator, the redeemer and the sanctifier, they all hear our prayers respectfully in their infinite capacity.
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So when Jesus prayed…he prayed to Himself and His Spirit?
 
SIA said:
something more to try and discredit Protestants and demean them at every turn. They beat sola scriptura into the ground and now are trying something else. Jesus is God and when we pray to him we pray to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The creator, the redeemer and the sanctifier, they all hear our prayers respectfully in their infinite capacity.
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**I wish you could take these topics without always feeling like you’re being attacked, and have a pleasant conversation with others here. You seem to be angry and upset at all the knowledge of Catholics on this forum. **
 
adstrinity said:
Question occured to me via those who claim that they know Jesus because of the Holy Spirit and St. Paul’s writings, but, they are the same people who claim that they pray to God (the Father) through Jesus or In Jesus’ Name. If you only talk to the Father, but do not commune with Jesus, HOW can you know Jesus? Don’t you know the Father through Jesus, but, yet, you only pray to the Father.

And come to think of it, do you pray to the Holy Spirit?..
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Is there an instinctive sense - that God is One, not 3 persons in one?

To assert 3 persons - in one deity, is simply an
expression of polytheism - clothed in the polysllabic.
‘hypostatic union’]
One moment, Jesus is saying

“I and the Father are one.” [John 10:30]

and the next moment:

But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven,
nor the Son, but the Father alone. [Matt 24: 36]

Then Jesus says that the Holy Spirit cannot come, until Jesus returns to heaven.

For if I do not go, the Advocate will not come to you.
But if I go, I will send him to you. [John 16: 7]

Further:

Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. [John 14:9]

and further, still:

And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good?
No one is good except God alone. [Matt 10: 18]

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reen12
 
SIA, I have you on my ignore list, it’s been like that for a few months now. I only know what you post when somebody quotes you.

I am not a they, I am a she. I have not seen any other topic like this. …I would ask where you do, but, unless somebody quotes you, it would be rather a waste of time.

If you pray to God (the Father) and you assert that you also pray to Jesus and the Holy Spirit at the same time, then, why don’t you pray to Jesus? Or the Holy Spirit specifically? You’d be praying to the Father at the same time as well.

AND, if you pray to the Father in Jesus’ Name, does that mean you’re praying to Jesus in Jesus’ Name?

It’s not an attack of any kind, just a question to see if Protestants have thought about it and do have a logical or gut-feeling answer. Neither are wrong.
 
As to praying to father, son, holy spirit:

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Is there an instinctive sense - that God is One, not 3 persons in one?

To assert 3 persons - in one deity, is simply an
expression of polytheism - clothed in the polysllabic.
‘hypostatic union’]
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This is oft the juncture - where Augustine is quoted,
as to the incapacity of man to comprehend the trinity.

I and the Father are one. [John 10:30]

But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven,
nor the Son, but the Father alone. [Matt 24: 36]

For if I do not go, the Advocate will not come to you.
But if I go, I will send him to you. [John 16: 7]

Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. [John 14:9]

And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good?
No one is good except God alone. [Matt 10: 18]
Did Jesus share mankind’s incapacity… to understand a
tripart deity, and his claimed part in this trinity?

reen12
 
adstrinity said:
I am not a they, I am a she. I have not seen any other topic like this. …I would ask where you do, but, unless somebody quotes you, it would be rather a waste of time.
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Maybe you are referred to as “they” because of your name?
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tGette said:
Can you know your mother by talking to her father? No!
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I don’t agree that the situations are similar. Jesus says “he who has seen me has seen the Father.” He also says he is in the Father and the Father is in him. Such unity does not apply to human beings.

Do we really believe that a prayer directed at, say, the Father is not heard by Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit?
 
VociMike said:
I don’t agree that the situations are similar. Jesus says “he who has seen me has seen the Father.” He also says he is in the Father and the Father is in him. Such unity does not apply to human beings.

Do we really believe that a prayer directed at, say, the Father is not heard by Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit?
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You make a great point…but…as with any analogy…it never conveys the point perfectly.

I agree with what you say…but the Holy Trinity is, in reality, 3 different persons (though equal).

My point was that, even though they all might hear my prayer…if I am praying to one exclusively I will never fully come to know them all personally.

Make sense?
 
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