Can you name be said when you're given communion?

[Catholig]

We’re meant to follow the GIRM in the spirit of charity.

This sounds more and more like a Fundamentalist Website, where every word is taken literally and the meaning behind the words are lost.

Jim

We are supposed to follow the GIRM PERIOD. Why should we incorporate odd practices that have never been part of the Mass and certainly are not included in the GIRM? Is the Mass not enough without saying ones name before receiving communion? Does that spirit somehow improve something that has been lacking for centuries? Should we petition the USCCB to make this - oh most holy practice official?

Honestly - we should follow the Letter of the Law. We shouldn’t include those things that haven’t been approved AGAIN PERIOD.

Catholig

 

[Catholig]

Also the meaning behind the words “Body of Christ” are “custodiat animam tuam in vitam aeternam.”

Catholig

 

[JimR-OCDS]

We are supposed to follow the GIRM PERIOD. Why should we incorporate odd practices that have never been part of the Mass and certainly are not included in the GIRM? Is the Mass not enough without saying ones name before receiving communion? Does that spirit somehow improve something that has been lacking for centuries? Should we petition the USCCB to make this - oh most holy practice official?

Honestly - we should follow the Letter of the Law. We shouldn’t include those things that haven’t been approved AGAIN PERIOD.

Catholig

The GIRM = General Instruction of the Roman Missal. “General” means what it says. Its not absolute in every instance and does not attempt to take away charity and friendliness of participants in the Mass.

Jim

 

[Catholig]

The GIRM = General Instruction of the Roman Missal. “General” means what it says. Its not absolute in every instance and does not attempt to take away charity and friendliness of participants in the Mass.

Jim

Isn’t followed by the words “incorporate your own liturgical abuses here”. It may be “general” but if so we should look to more extensive texts - not just add anything that catches our fancy.

Catholig

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Isn’t followed by the words “incorporate your own liturgical abuses here”. It may be “general” but if so we should look to more extensive texts - not just add anything that catches our fancy.

Catholig

The formula of the words can not be change, but using the name of the person, i.e. “Jim” the body of Christ, doesn’t change the formula.

Jim

 

[AlexV]

It adds something to the liturgy, which isn’t our possession to craft as we wish. The rubrics ALSO say you can’t add to the liturgy at your whim. And that’s what this is.

 

[AlexV]

Of course we could also use this reckless liturgical logic to defend countless other things. I think we could now say it’s fair to add the word “perfidious” to the Good Friday prayer. Don’t change the formula. Just add a word. Oh, and at the beginning of Mass, just add Psalm 42. It’s just adding. Ditto the Confiteor…add back the saints who were dropped. So long as you don’t omit the formula, you can add as you please…

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It adds something to the liturgy, which isn’t our possession to craft as we wish. The rubrics ALSO say you can’t add to the liturgy at your whim. And that’s what this is.

The rubrics is not intended to take away the human element of the Mass, but in fact, to re-enforce it.

Saying the person’s name, is not adding to the liturgy.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Of course we could also use this reckless liturgical logic to defend countless other things. I think we could now say it’s fair to add the word “perfidious” to the Good Friday prayer. Don’t change the formula. Just add a word. Oh, and at the beginning of Mass, just add Psalm 42. It’s just adding. Ditto the Confiteor…add back the saints who were dropped. So long as you don’t omit the formula, you can add as you please…

Or we could just have programed robots say the Mass, that way, the rubrics would be followed to the letter.

Jim

 

[AlexV]

Oh, so now, besides your outrageous accusations of unworthiness for Communion and psychotic behavior, now we can add the fact that unless we start slipping in our personal friends’ names, the liturgy is somehow not “human”.

Yes, adding a name at that point is “adding” something to the liturgy. The US Bishops themselves…no conservative bunch they…have EXPLICITLY stated you aren’t to add “names” at that formula.

 

[AlexV]

The reason the specific rubric exists is because using names creates TWO GROUPS: the known and the unknown, from which it’s an easy leap to those who belong and those who really aren’t at that same level of “community”.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The reason the specific rubric exists is because using names creates TWO GROUPS: the known and the unknown, from which it’s an easy leap to those who belong and those who really aren’t at that same level of “community”.

No, the reason the rubrics exist is to be a guide on how the Mass is to be said. As it says in the rubrics itself, the Bishop is the authority on such matters.

Jim

 

[AlexV]

Well, the bishops have spoken. As this thread has provided, the bishops have CLEARLY stated that NOTHING is to be added to the Communion formula.

It’s one thing to ignore those pesky rubrics that just “come and go” as “Joysong” opined. It’s another to claim you’re doing something the Church approves of, when she clearly doesn’t.

That’s disingenuous. Then again, you think people who feel the rubric should be followed are psychos who shouldn’t receive Communion anyway.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Well, the bishops have spoken. As this thread has provided, the bishops have CLEARLY stated that NOTHING is to be added to the Communion formula.

It’s one thing to ignore those pesky rubrics that just “come and go” as “Joysong” opined. It’s another to claim you’re doing something the Church approves of, when she clearly doesn’t.

That’s disingenuous. Then again, you think people who feel the rubric should be followed are psychos who shouldn’t receive Communion anyway.

Thats right, nothing can be added to the formula. Saying the name of the person receiving, doesn’t add to the formula.

In other words, the EMCH can’t say, “The Body of The Son of Mary, Our Blessed Mother.”

Saying, “Jim,” the Body of Christ, doesn’t add or change the formula.

Hope this helps!

Jim

 

[childofmary1143]

Thats right, nothing can be added to the formula. Saying the name of the person receiving, doesn’t add to the formula.

In other words, the EMCH can’t say, “The Body of The Son of Mary, Our Blessed Mother.”

Saying, “Jim,” the Body of Christ, doesn’t add or change the formula.

Hope this helps!

Jim

So I can expect you will send a letter to the USCCB to correct them in their improper interpretation of what the Rubrics say. Can you tell me what your Liturgical credentials are?

 

[AlexV]

Classic lit-speak…“Jim, The Body of Christ”…adds nothing to the fornula. I love the loose definition of “add”…

 

[Catholig]

Jim,

Whether or not you noticed - I feel that I was uncharitable in my reply, and for that I am sorry. This does not however change the fact that I feel that this is wrong, and that we should stick by the rubrics.

Blessings,
In Christ,

Catholig

 

[JimR-OCDS]

So I can expect you will send a letter to the USCCB to correct them in their improper interpretation of what the Rubrics say. Can you tell me what your Liturgical credentials are?

I don’t have to tell you anything. If the EMHC’s are wrong in stating the person’s name, when they go up to receive communion, it will be up to the parish priest, who is under the auspices of the Bishop, to make the correction, if necessary. Otherwise, it doesn’t phase me one way or another.

Jim

 

[paramedicgirl]

Of course we could also use this reckless liturgical logic to defend countless other things. I think we could now say it’s fair to add the word “perfidious” to the Good Friday prayer. Don’t change the formula. Just add a word. Oh, and at the beginning of Mass, just add Psalm 42. It’s just adding. Ditto the Confiteor…add back the saints who were dropped. So long as you don’t omit the formula, you can add as you please…

Oh, goody! That means we can pray to St Michael the Archangel again after Mass! And say the gospel of St John, too.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Jim,

Whether or not you noticed - I feel that I was uncharitable in my reply, and for that I am sorry. This does not however change the fact that I feel that this is wrong, and that we should stick by the rubrics.

Blessings,
In Christ,

Catholig

No, I did not notice you being uncharitable, never even crossed my mind.

Don’t worry about it

God Bless

Jim