Can you name be said when you're given communion?

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Alex, I feel very sorry that you are unable to have consideration or compassion for those of us who are struggling.

From Marian’s earlier post:
There is an expectation here at CAF that we all should behave with civility. In practice this means striving to deliver our comments here with as much charity as we can muster.
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Some Catholics who are going through a renewal of their faith can take on a somewhat strident tone. Having re-discovered the truth of their faith, they then proceed to jump on a soapbox and start proclaiming the truth as they see it. Fellow Catholics, priests, bishops, even the pope, are subject to “correction.” Perhaps they do not realize that this behavior often comes across to others as trying to use doctrine as a weapon.
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I think at this point enough has been said to make my position clear, and I see no need for further posts until I have the information mentioned. Good bye.
 
The quote does not say we can ignore clearly written instructions and deconstruct and reconstruct them into whatever we please, all under the guise of a false charity.

What exactly are you “struggling” with, “Joysong”? The fact that Jim has accused some of psychosis, unworthiness to receive, and inhumanity, and you have nothing at all to say…

…but for those who are simply stating the rubric AND its interpretation from the competent authority…all the venom comes out.
 
DebChris said:
. What is often not understood is that when the EM says “The Body of Christ”, he/she is not only referring to the corporal body of Jesus. The Body of Christ refers to all of us. Each of us is a member of the Body of Christ. It is for this reason that the EM does not say, “This is the Body of Christ.”
God calls each of us by name to be a part of His Body and to receive His Body and Blood in the Eucharist.
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What happened to the Real Presence?
 
BobP123 said:
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. What is often not understood is that when the EM says “The Body of Christ”, he/she is not only referring to the corporal body of Jesus. The Body of Christ refers to all of us. Each of us is a member of the Body of Christ. It is for this reason that the EM does not say, “This is the Body of Christ.”
God calls each of us by name to be a part of His Body and to receive His Body and Blood in the Eucharist.

What happened to the Real Presence?
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Seems that the “the Body of Christ (assembly)” is being given the status of The Body of Christ (God).
 
The Church has never taught that the formula at Communion is an acknowledgment by the minister that the person is “the Body of Christ”. Quite the contrary. I realize it’s all the rage these days to talk about how we should all be locked up in tabernacles and genuflect to each other, but the reality is quite different from the hype.
 
Just because a priest does something does not mean “it is allowed”. We have offered numerous citations explicitly reprobating the practice. How widespread an abuse is does not make it legitimate.
 
AlexV said:
As for “clarification”, we have it. As posted, from the American bishops. Do they need to write it to every minister personally, registered mail, before it’s the truth?
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:yup: Apparently.
It appears that is the only way some people will understand their very clear directive. :banghead:
 
Wow!

I for one and incredibly happen that this thread is here.

I have been an EMHE at my church for about 3.5 years.

About a year ago, I attended mass at another church. I mentioned to the celebrant the idea of saying “Body and Blood of Christ Jesus”, no matter if it was the bread or the wine that was being distributed.

“You don’t say that”.

I was stunned. He went on to tell me that yes, both the wine and the bread are both the Body and the Blood, but that is not what one should say when dispensing the Eucharist.

Since that time, I don’t believe I have slipped once, but it made me aware that ‘Oops’, that was a no-no

There are so many things that we do… because it seems ‘nice’, or because we heard someone else do it.

I have a copy of the GIRM, and I am always reading Liturgical information… but this thread was what pointed out that I should NOT be saying anything to any one that is there for communion other than ‘Blood of Christ’ (or ‘Body of Christ’) and letting it go from there!

Thank you.

And I’m grateful to be able to learn something here every day.
 
DebChris said:
I like it when my name is mentioned as I receive communion. What is often not understood is that when the EM says “The Body of Christ”, he/she is not only referring to the corporal body of Jesus. The Body of Christ refers to all of us. Each of us is a member of the Body of Christ. It is for this reason that the EM does not say, "This is the Body of Christ."
God calls each of us by name to be a part of His Body and to receive His Body and Blood in the Eucharist. I do not expect my name to be mentioned when I receive Commuinion nor do I notice if anybody is being called by name. My focus is firmly on receiving this precious gift of my Saviour.
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Do you have a Church document for that reference? Maybe I’ve been teaching my catechism kids the wrong theology these past years. I’ve always taught them that the consecrated Host is the Real Body & Blood of Our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ.:confused:
 
Apryl said:
Wow!

I for one and incredibly happen that this thread is here.

I have been an EMHE at my church for about 3.5 years.

About a year ago, I attended mass at another church. I mentioned to the celebrant the idea of saying “Body and Blood of Christ Jesus”, no matter if it was the bread or the wine that was being distributed.

“You don’t say that”.

I was stunned. He went on to tell me that yes, both the wine and the bread are both the Body and the Blood, but that is not what one should say when dispensing the Eucharist.

Since that time, I don’t believe I have slipped once, but it made me aware that ‘Oops’, that was a no-no

There are so many things that we do… because it seems ‘nice’, or because we heard someone else do it.

I have a copy of the GIRM, and I am always reading Liturgical information… but this thread was what pointed out that I should NOT be saying anything to any one that is there for communion other than ‘Blood of Christ’ (or ‘Body of Christ’) and letting it go from there!

Thank you.

And I’m grateful to be able to learn something here every day.
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And that’s a good testimony of obedience. Something that is lacking here among the opinions of some.
 
This is just wrong, Paramed.

I don’t see any person in this entire thread who is disobedient, and it isn’t the first time you have inferred that statement. Sandra stated clearly that she was given the ok by her priest. She is the only EMHC that I noted, so the rest of us aren’t affected, since we are neither priest nor EMHC. Where are you getting that?
 
paramedicgirl said:
Do you have a Church document for that reference? Maybe I’ve been teaching my catechism kids the wrong theology these past years. I’ve always taught them that the consecrated Host is the Real Body & Blood of Our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ.:confused:
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It is BOTH.

The consecrated host is the Real Body & Blood of Christ.

And we become what we receive; we become the presence of Christ to all. Christ is present in three ways in the mass: in the sacrament of the altar, in the word proclaimed, and in the assembly gathered.

Read Sacrosanctum Concilium.
 
Regarding the response “Amen” to the formula “Corpus Christi” (or “Sanguis Christi”), I find the following information:
Norms for the Distribution and Reception of Holy Communion Under Both Kinds in the Dioceses of the United States of America:
The act of Communion, therefore, is also an act of faith. For when the minister says, “The Body of Christ” or “The Blood of Christ,” the communicant’s “Amen” is a profession in the presence of the saving Christ, body and blood, soul and divinity, who now gives life to the believer. (Source)
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Catechism of the Catholic Church:
If you are the body and members of Christ, then it is your sacrament that is placed on the table of the Lord; it is your sacrament that you receive. To that which you are you respond “Amen” (“yes, it is true!”) and by responding to it you assent to it. For you hear the words, “the Body of Christ” and respond “Amen.” Be then a member of the Body of Christ that your Amen may be true. (St. Augustine, Sermo 272:PL 38,1247.) (Source)
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It has two meanings indeed. We are declaring our belief in the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine, and we are declaring our promise to God that we who will receive the Body of Christ are the (mystical) body of Christ, His Church.
 
The presence of Christ in the Eucharistic species is NOT equivalent to the other presences.

As for “disobedience”, we’re not talking about the individual state of the soul of an individual who violates the rubrics. UNLIKE you and Jim, I have not SLANDERED people with accusations of psychosis, unworthiness to receive, etc.

You have ignored his outrageous slanders, and harped on me and those others who defend the rubric.

Very telling.

The FACT remains that adding ANYTHING, including names, is DISOBEDIENT to the rubric. Rather than graciously admitting error and ending your comments, you refuse to accept clear reality and prefer to attack.
 
It may be an external infraction of the rubrics, but not willful knowing disobedience on anyone’s part and you are not the judge of another’s conscience, right? You are treading on thin ice there.

It is the same situation for the lectors who are not aware that they should not say, The first reading is… They are NOT disobedient, even though inadvertently through lack of instruction, they do go against the rubric.

You are spreading so many poison darts here that it is astonishing to behold.
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
It is BOTH.

The consecrated host is the Real Body & Blood of Christ.

And we become what we receive; we become the presence of Christ to all. Christ is present in three ways in the mass: in the sacrament of the altar, in the word proclaimed, and in the assembly gathered.

Read Sacrosanctum Concilium.
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Ummm…we don’t become God. Just because the Real Presence stays within us for a short time after receiving the Eucharist, that doesn’t turn us into our own little gods. But yes, we should use this time where Jesus is present within us to prayerfully reflect and meditate on the Sacred Mysteries we have beheld.
 
Again, you’re accusing ME of “thin ice” when others talk about psychosis and unworthiness to receive and we hear nothing from you?

I’m judging nothing about conscience.

But this thread is about over now that, at last, you’ve at least dropped your smoke screen and admitted what you’ve known all along - it’s an infraction. The truth is indeed liberating.
 
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