Can you prove papal supremacy

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Yes, but Church holds that rebaptizing is a sin. Nicene Creed clearly says “I believe in One Baptism for remission of sins”.
As much as I am in total agreement with you, sadly the practice among many “traditionalist” Orthodox is to rebaptize everyone, because they say that the only valid baptism is found within the Orthodox Church and therefore no one who has been baptized outside of Orthodoxy is actually regenerate.

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As with any doctrine, the concept of papal authority developed over time. Papal supremacy is a topic that has always drawn my interest because it was such a huge question in my own faith journey. Here’s what I’ve gathered.

If you read theological writings in Western Christianity, most of them argue that the Pope has and can exercise spiritual and jurisdictional authority over any bishop in the entire Church. If you read theological writings in Eastern Christianity, most of them argue that the Pope does not possess supreme authority over all bishops but is merely a first among equals.

Quite interesting. But one thing that both the East and the West have shared is the idea that all bishops trace their authority from Jesus and the Apostles. If we look at St. Peter, scholars, Catholic, Orthodox, Atheist, etc, do generally conclude that Peter had some spiritual and “jurisdictional” authority. I quote “jurisdictional” because the Church wasn’t a temporal power nor was it really divided in the first century with strict boundaries. Nonetheless, Peter’s reputation and authority was greater than the rest of the Apostles and he served as the spokesman for the Church at the time.

The Bishop of Rome grew in his authority mostly because Rome was the center of the Empire. When Christianity was legalized, the Church in Rome had the most relics, including those of Peter and Paul, and was therefore the most prestigious. When other bishops, including Eastern Bishops, had conflicts and couldn’t settle it on their own, they often appealed to Rome because of this prestige, giving Rome authority to make judicial decisions. Over time, this authority of course grew and grew and more and more bishops because accepting of it. The real problem arose when Constantinople in the East began to become the center of the Empire and the bishop there believed that they should have more authority because of this temporal prominence. Of course this plea was meant with pushback from the Pope. And as we see, this conflict grew and grew until the Great Schism, which has not been mended since.

So, my answer is an appeal to development that papal supremacy is a genuine development of papal primacy. I’ll cite St. John Henry Newman’s criteria for genuine developments as the criteria because I believe it is the most robust and objective.

It is worth noting, however, that the East’s lacking of communion with the Pope has stagnated genuine development in the East, as evidenced by their lack of ecumenical councils. In the West, traditionally only the Pope’s assent can a council be approved, which makes sense given the history of the Church. The East requires the whole Church to assent (which was namely the Patriarchs). Since the Pope is separated from the Orthodox, they can no longer have an ecumenical council. So we see the importance of papal supremacy today.
 
I see. Well, historically speaking that wasn’t the case. Apparently even during era of Cyprian, his position was widely condemned by the Church.

With regards to sacramental understandings there are 4 views;
  1. Calvinistic view - All sacraments are just signs and carry nothing themselves therefore there can be no talk about validity (held by some Protestants).
  2. Augustinian view - Validity of Sacraments does not depend on denomination but on valid conditions. All valid Sacraments have effects (held by some Protestants and Catholics, even though we disagree on what conditions are needed).
  3. Cyprianic view - View that Sacraments can not be conferred outside True Church anyhow. In extreme it might also be that anyone who leaves True Church loses Sacraments and has to have them re-conferred upon entering True Church again. (held apparently by some Orthodox)
  4. Semi-Cyprianic view- Sacraments outside True Church are valid but carry no grace until one enters True Church. When one enters True Church, Sacraments start taking effect and when they leave, they stop until one has returned. (currently held by Orthodox Church at least to my understanding)
My problem with 3 and 4 is that even Orthodox Church is somewhat torn on need for visible communion. In other words, Church of America isn’t recognized widely yet… so do their Sacraments carry no grace then? Did Sacraments of Church of Ukraine not carry effect until they got recognized by Ecumenical Patriarch? Only logical conclusion if what Metropolitan Kallistos Ware said “We can be sure where Church is, not where She is not”. That means that according to Orthodox Church they surely have valid Sacraments but can’t say that others do or do not… which poses problem with re-baptizing and historically also with disrespecting Latin Eucharist (because both those Sacraments may be valid). So conclusion of 3rd and 4th view is something between Cyprianic and Augustinian understanding of Sacraments anyway.

Also when reading First 7 Ecumenical Councils, there seems to be implication that Sacraments conferred outside Church are valid at least in context of Christians who come back into the Church. Which is why re-baptizing, re-consecrating Priests and so on was all forbidden by decrees. That is why I largely hold view 3 to be inconsistent with history as much as view 1.
 
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Church of America isn’t recognized widely yet… so do their Sacraments carry no grace then?
Are you referring to the Orthodox Church in America? If so, all canonical Orthodox churches recognize us as Orthodox. Not all churches recognize us as autocephalous. The grace of our sacraments has never been in question.
 
Are you referring to the Orthodox Church in America? If so, all canonical Orthodox churches recognize us as Orthodox. Not all churches recognize us as autocephalous. The grace of our sacraments has never been in question.
I see. I apologize for mistake then. My point with Ukraine still stands.
 
  1. Cyprianic view - View that Sacraments can not be conferred outside True Church anyhow. In extreme it might also be that anyone who leaves True Church loses Sacraments and has to have them re-conferred upon entering True Church again. (held apparently by some Orthodox)
This seems to be the position of certain “Zealot” factions within Orthodoxy and Old Calendarism.
  1. Semi-Cyprianic view- Sacraments outside True Church are valid but carry no grace until one enters True Church. When one enters True Church, Sacraments start taking effect and when they leave, they stop until one has returned. (currently held by Orthodox Church at least to my understanding)
This is the more widespread view, especially in the American jurisdictions, i.e. OCA, GOA, most of the AOCA, parts of ROCOR, etc.
Did Sacraments of Church of Ukraine not carry effect until they got recognized by Ecumenical Patriarch?
Which Ukrainian Church? The one connected to Moscow or the one connected to Constantinople? Anyhow, the question of where grace is and is not is way above my pay grade. 😊

Personally I have experienced grace within the very place of an Orthodox Church, and I have experienced grace pouring out of a Crucifix at one of the Old Spanish Missions in Texas.

As we love to say in the Byzantine Rite, “God is everywhere present and fillest all things.” Therefore grace is everywhere, upholding the universe, permeating all of humanity, calling us to repentance, but extraordinary grace is conferred through the sacraments/mysteries.
 
Which Ukrainian Church? The one connected to Moscow or the one connected to Constantinople?
Oh I meant the one connected to Constantinople (before they were recognized by Ecumenical Patriarch). I always forget to clarify that…
As we love to say in the Byzantine Rite, “God is everywhere present and fillest all things.” Therefore grace is everywhere, upholding the universe, permeating all of humanity, calling us to repentance, but extraordinary grace is conferred through the sacraments/mysteries.
I agree with you. As a Catholic I believe in Augustinian view Church holds (and in effect, I believe there to be certain amount of grace in every Christian denomination and even beyond that… but Sacramental grace [outside baptism of course] only in Churches with Apostolic Succession, meaning also Orthodoxy). With regards to grace outside Sacraments… I received grace while I was Atheist, while I was Agnostic, while I hated God and while I was Catholic. There isn’t any place God can not reach.
 
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Oh I meant the one connected to Constantinople (before they were recognized by Ecumenical Patriarch). I always forget to clarify that…
To use that good ol’ Orthodox term, “it’s a mystery”. I do not know what grace the group that broke away from Moscow had in their sacraments prior to being received by Constantinople.
As a Catholic I believe in Augustinian view Church holds (and in effect, I believe there to be certain amount of grace in every Christian denomination and even beyond that… but Sacramental grace [outside baptism of course] only in Churches with Apostolic Succession, meaning also Orthodoxy).
This is what I have come to love about Catholicism, she seems to chart a middle course of mercy in everything she does, without giving up core issues.
With regards to grace outside Sacraments… I received grace while I was Atheist, while I was Agnostic, while I hated God and while I was Catholic. There isn’t any place God can not reach.
Amen, amen, amen.
 
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