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Can you recieve communion if you are not in full agreement with church teachings,(ie: death penalty) but do not act on that disagreement?
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work(name removed by moderator)rogress8:
Yes. That’s what’s obedience is–accepting the authority of the Church on the issue even though you don’t understand it.Can you recieve communion if you are not in full agreement with church teachings,(ie: death penalty) but do not act on that disagreement?
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Marauder
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Yes, you can disagree with the church and still receive communion. The problem is if you publicly act on that disagreement.
However, if you disagree with a church teaching I highly encourage researching that issue and find out exactly what the church teaches on that issue and why the church teaches that.
A perfect example is that most people don’t realize that the church actually allows for the use of death penalty. It can be used to protect society, but it is the view of the current Pope that it isn’t necessary since a dangerous criminal can easily be locked away for life (my words not the Pope’s)
This is similar to a parallel that I had a talk with a priest on dealing with doubts and disbelief. A thousands doubts don’t make a disbelief. A disagreement doesn’t necessarily make a heresy/scandel.
Added- There are a few things that if you disagree with the church you should refrain from receiving communion, they mainly involved defined doctrine, like the divinity of Christ and similar topics. The death penality, just war doctrines, and other similar topics, you are allowed to disagree with.
However, if you disagree with a church teaching I highly encourage researching that issue and find out exactly what the church teaches on that issue and why the church teaches that.
A perfect example is that most people don’t realize that the church actually allows for the use of death penalty. It can be used to protect society, but it is the view of the current Pope that it isn’t necessary since a dangerous criminal can easily be locked away for life (my words not the Pope’s)
This is similar to a parallel that I had a talk with a priest on dealing with doubts and disbelief. A thousands doubts don’t make a disbelief. A disagreement doesn’t necessarily make a heresy/scandel.
Added- There are a few things that if you disagree with the church you should refrain from receiving communion, they mainly involved defined doctrine, like the divinity of Christ and similar topics. The death penality, just war doctrines, and other similar topics, you are allowed to disagree with.
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The_Barrister
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Can. 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.
Can. 916 Anyone who is conscious of grave sin may not celebrate Mass or receive the Body of the Lord without previously having been to sacramental Confession, unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition, which includes the resolve to go to confession as soon as possible.
If you want to discuss Church teachings on the death penalty and whether your understanding is accurate / your beliefs meet the test, perhaps a new thread would be in order.
Can. 916 Anyone who is conscious of grave sin may not celebrate Mass or receive the Body of the Lord without previously having been to sacramental Confession, unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition, which includes the resolve to go to confession as soon as possible.
If you want to discuss Church teachings on the death penalty and whether your understanding is accurate / your beliefs meet the test, perhaps a new thread would be in order.
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Gerry_Hunter
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work(name removed by moderator)rogress8:
The key item in the question is “full agreement.” How does a lack of “full agreement” arise? Through a lack of understanding from an inability to comprehend? I don’t fully comprehend the Trinity (who does ?) but I accept that it is true because the Church teaches it. I may not fully agree with a moral pronouncement the Church teaches, but I likewise submit to it because the Church teaches it. There’s a big difference between, “I think that the Church is wrong, but I obey,” and “I don’t see the sense in that, so I don’t obey.”
There are some things Catholics must “firmly accept and hold,” such as the doctrine of the divinity of Jesus Christ. There are other things, teachings to which we must “adhere with religious submission of will and intellect.” Particularly in the latter group, I see some room for a lack of what might be called “full agreement,” given that the adherence is manifested. But some of the mysteries of the Faith, it seems to me, are things that we are simply not capable of comprehending fully enough to give what might be called “full agreement,” although we can accept and hold them.
Blessings,
Gerry
I certainly hope so.Can you recieve communion if you are not in full agreement with church teachings,(ie: death penalty) but do not act on that disagreement?
The key item in the question is “full agreement.” How does a lack of “full agreement” arise? Through a lack of understanding from an inability to comprehend? I don’t fully comprehend the Trinity (who does ?) but I accept that it is true because the Church teaches it. I may not fully agree with a moral pronouncement the Church teaches, but I likewise submit to it because the Church teaches it. There’s a big difference between, “I think that the Church is wrong, but I obey,” and “I don’t see the sense in that, so I don’t obey.”
There are some things Catholics must “firmly accept and hold,” such as the doctrine of the divinity of Jesus Christ. There are other things, teachings to which we must “adhere with religious submission of will and intellect.” Particularly in the latter group, I see some room for a lack of what might be called “full agreement,” given that the adherence is manifested. But some of the mysteries of the Faith, it seems to me, are things that we are simply not capable of comprehending fully enough to give what might be called “full agreement,” although we can accept and hold them.
Blessings,
Gerry
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Br.Rich_SFO
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work(name removed by moderator)rogress8:
To be able to receive Holy Communion you must accept the teachings of the Church that are “Of the Faith”, period. You can disagree with a discipline or law, as long as you do not break it, and still receive Holy Communion.Can you recieve communion if you are not in full agreement with church teachings,(ie: death penalty) but do not act on that disagreement?
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otm
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The specific given, the death penalty, is not a doctrine or dogma of the Church. It is a prudential judgement; and as a prudential judgement, one can disagree with it and still be a good Catholic. The same goes for just war theory and its appplication to the war in Iraq.
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Jim_ov_Cov
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Even ordinary Catholic teaching has to be given assent of heart and mind. It was Newman who wrote that 10,000 difficulties do not make one doubt, but it is a sin to entertain a doubt on any definitive matter.IF we refuse to believe what the Church teaches then we are placing our intellect and opinions over the teaching authority of the Church. That is folly.
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