Can you tell me which religions believe in Once Saved Always Saved?

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I know that not all Protestants believe in this…

but i don’t know which ones believe in it and which ones don’t… so am wondering if you can tell me…

thanks…
 
Actually, you’ll find that even within particular Protestant denominations, there are differences about “once saved, always saved.” **Very **generally speaking, more fundamentalist, evangelical and charismatic Protestants believe this than mainline denominations.
 
I know that not all Protestants believe in this…

but i don’t know which ones believe in it and which ones don’t… so am wondering if you can tell me…

thanks…
You will find OSAS followers primarily among Presbyterians although not all Presbyterians are OSAS, Some Baptist denominations and some non-denom groups. There may be some other very small sects that follow it but these are the primary ones.
 
Actually, you’ll find that even within particular Protestant denominations, there are differences about “once saved, always saved.” **Very **generally speaking, more fundamentalist, evangelical and charismatic Protestants believe this than mainline denominations.
I’m surprised about fundamentalists… i thought they were the hell-fire-and brimstone preachers… or am i thinking of some other group???

thanks…
 
Actually, you’ll find that even within particular Protestant denominations, there are differences about “once saved, always saved.” **Very **generally speaking, more fundamentalist, evangelical and charismatic Protestants believe this than mainline denominations.
differences how??

i mean once saved always saved seems to mean only that… that no matter what you do after accepting Crhist, you are going to heaven… .almost seems like thye’d have to believe in Purgatory in that case… because how can a person, for example, after committing murder or rape, except to go directly to Heaven after wards… ???

all i know is that pepole surely believe some weird stuff…

and they accuse the Catholics of not knowing Scripture…!!! 🤷
 
I’m surprised about fundamentalists… i thought they were the hell-fire-and brimstone preachers… or am i thinking of some other group???

thanks…
There are “hell-fire-and-brimstone” Pentecostals too, though some Pentecostals seem to believe in OSAS. Believing in OSAS does not mean you don’t preach hell-fire and brimstone. It just means that you only preach it for people who haven’t “accepted Jesus.” In fact people who believe in OSAS can preach hellfire more comfortably, because none of their followers actually think it applies to them. Thinking about the terrible things that will happen to other people who are not part of your group can be a great (if wicked) pleasure.

Edwin
 
differences how??

i mean once saved always saved seems to mean only that… that no matter what you do after accepting Crhist, you are going to heaven… .almost seems like thye’d have to believe in Purgatory in that case… because how can a person, for example, after committing murder or rape, except to go directly to Heaven after wards… ???
Many OSAS folks (particularly the real Calvinists, who are the originators of the idea) think that if you are “really saved” you will not habitually and persistently sin. You will fall down and pick yourself up, but you will on the whole persevere in living a holy life.

There are some, however, who think that it is indeed possible to “live like the devil and go to heaven.” You especially find this among Southern fundamentalists. One odd belief that results from this is that if you really mess up God may decide to “kill you and take you to heaven early.” You wouldn’t think that was such a terrible punishment. . . .

Edwin
 
Since the belief in OSAS differs within denominations; would OSAS be considered a non-essential?

God bless
 
Since the belief in OSAS differs within denominations; would OSAS be considered a non-essential?

God bless
Well, since OSAS appears at its center, to be a notion about justification, sanctification, and salvation, for me as a Lutheran it could hardly be called “non-essential”.

Jon
 
Well, since OSAS appears at its center, to be a notion about justification, sanctification, and salvation, for me as a Lutheran it could hardly be called “non-essential”.

Jon
This is what I was thinking, but it surprised me that someone stated that it varies even within denominations. Which got me wondering 😉

God bless
 
This is what I was thinking, but it surprised me that someone stated that it varies even within denominations. Which got me wondering 😉

God bless
So, some “denominations” are much less tied to any doctrine, and more congregational in its polity, so opinions may vary within it. We Lutherans have a set of Confessional documents - The Book Of Concord - and we still get some variance in beliefs. One of my ongoing concerns.

Jon
 
So, some “denominations” are much less tied to any doctrine, and more congregational in its polity, so opinions may vary within it. We Lutherans have a set of Confessional documents - The Book Of Concord - and we still get some variance in beliefs. One of my ongoing concerns.

Jon
i have been through the born-again thing, as Protestants call it… Catholics call it being filled w/ the HS… but anyway… so if that is the case, why do I feel INCREDIBLY guilty and messed up and… well, words can’t describe, every time i sin… ??? This alone would prove that osas is bunk…

sometimes i have had the experience of just being around a person who… shall we say is not inclined toward Christianity… and have afterward felt the presence of the devil/evil so much that was compelled to pray 10 rosariers or 30 St. Jude novenas to get the icky feeling to subside…

osas is the most ridiculous belief i’ve ever heard of… Rev 21:27 says that no impure thing will enter Heaven… sin causes us to be at least partially impure… (if its mortal sin, well, its more than a little “partial”)…
 
=distracted;4940876]i have been through the born-again thing, as Protestants call it… Catholics call it being filled w/ the HS… but anyway… so if that is the case, why do I feel INCREDIBLY guilty and messed up and… well, words can’t describe, every time i sin… ??? This alone would prove that osas is bunk…
Goodness, I agree!! I feel the same way (I attribute it to the knowledge that i have,in some way, pushed the Holy Spirit aside, however briefly. Thank God for Confession and Holy Absolution!!

Jon
 
differences how??

i mean once saved always saved seems to mean only that… that no matter what you do after accepting Crhist, you are going to heaven… .almost seems like thye’d have to believe in Purgatory in that case… because how can a person, for example, after committing murder or rape, except to go directly to Heaven after wards… ???

all i know is that pepole surely believe some weird stuff…

and they accuse the Catholics of not knowing Scripture…!!! 🤷
According to traditional Calvinism, if you’re saved and then go on to commit horrible crimes, you weren’t validly saved to begin with, because accepting Christ means turning your life and heart over to him and following his commandments. A good tree will not produce bad fruit and a bad tree will not produce good fruit. So if the fruit that you’re producing is murder and rape then you were never a good tree.

In other words justification by God’s grace (through faith and repentance) WILL lead to regeneration of the spirit (making us want to be holy) and sanctification (through good works). AND if you’re truly saved, then you will not fall away (or if you fall away for a little while, you’ll feel miserable about it and come back). However … lack of regeneration means there was a lack of true justification, and therefore a lack of true salvation. (Think of it like a Catholic getting an annulment - there never was a valid marriage - that doesn’t change the fact that a valid marriage is for life.)

I don’t think there are any churches that really do teach “Once Saved, Always Saved”, even if church members might think the catch phrase means something it doesn’t. Baptists don’t, in my experience. Traditional Calvinist churches don’t. Wesleyan churches definitely don’t.
 
Around here, anyway, the overwhelming majority of Southern Baptists are full-bore believers in OSAS. Some congregations of Southern Baptists don’t, however, or accept OSAS, but believe you can “lose your Saved”. But a person has to understand that many protestant denominations really don’t have much in the way of doctrine that’s held in common. Each congregation kind of has its own doctrinal set once you get past “God exists”, “The Bible is the word of God” and “Jesus Christ died and rose again for our salvation.” And within congregations, there is a lot of variation as well. That’s part of the reason a lot of protestants “church hop” or split from one congregation to form another congregation within the same denomination or another denomination entirely.
 
Around here, anyway, the overwhelming majority of Southern Baptists are full-bore believers in OSAS. Some congregations of Southern Baptists don’t, however, or accept OSAS, but believe you can “lose your Saved”. But a person has to understand that many protestant denominations really don’t have much in the way of doctrine that’s held in common. Each congregation kind of has its own doctrinal set once you get past “God exists”, “The Bible is the word of God” and “Jesus Christ died and rose again for our salvation.” And within congregations, there is a lot of variation as well. That’s part of the reason a lot of protestants “church hop” or split from one congregation to form another congregation within the same denomination or another denomination entirely.
It just seems strange that these believers require that Catholics believe a certain way or we are not truly Christian in their eyes, yet those in their own congregation don’t even believe the same as they do. They expect something from us that they can’t even get from people they fellowship with. It all really hurts my head just thinking about it.

God bless
 
It just seems strange that these believers require that Catholics believe a certain way or we are not truly Christian in their eyes, yet those in their own congregation don’t even believe the same as they do. They expect something from us that they can’t even get from people they fellowship with. It all really hurts my head just thinking about it.

God bless
As with everything, Protestants vary concerning that as well. Some of them will consign other Protestant denominations to hell as fast as they will Catholics. On the other hand, many have a kind of relativistic attitude “you go to your church and I’ll go to mine and we’ll get to heaven together”. And with some, that includes Catholics too.

Some of those things are inherent to protestantism. Once you rebel and reject the notion that anyone can speak with authority, then what? Most protestant groups hold some version of “sola scriptura” as well as the primacy of personal conscience. So, where you often end up with that is “My Bible says” so and so which is, of course, the individual’s interpretation, but which is nevertheless held to be “true” for the individual.

Most also have at least some kind of “OSAS” overlay, as a kind of outgrowth of “salvation by faith alone”. Most have some “sola scriptura” overlay, as a kind of outgrowth of the rejection of the teaching authority of the Church. But the interaction of those things up and down the scale allows for an almost endless permutation on doctrinal themes.

Protestants almost all choose their own preachers through an “auditioning” process. Therefore, most end up with preachers who are mirrors of what the “elders” or other governning body already think. But again, there may be significant variations in what individual members of a congregation believe, and sometimes those points get argued. Sometimes it results in expulsions from congregations. Sometimes it results in new churches being formed. Sometimes it just dies down.

Two things which I have heard, and largely believe to be true, simply amaze me. One is what Southern Baptists often jokingly say about themselves: “I’m not a member of any organized religion. I’m a Southern Baptist”. The other is something famed Southern writer, Flannery O’Connor, a Catholic who knew southern fundamentalists better than they knew themselves: “Southern fundamentalists would be surprised if they were to realize that they have more in common with Catholicism than they do with classic Protestantism.”
There is a great deal of truth in both assertions.
 
Pagans believe in reincarnation, so I guess it isn’t applicable? 😛 All souls go to the same place wehen they die; we don’t have a “Hell”. We believe that that after someone dies, they spend a time in the spirit world (referred to as Summerland by Wiccans), and commune with loved ones that have passed, and after a time of rest, we are reincarnated. Also, we believe that the people we are close to, such as loved ones, are with you in each incarnation. The concept mirrors the seasons of the year: living, dying, and living again after a period of rest (winter). 😉
 
I know that not all Protestants believe in this…

but i don’t know which ones believe in it and which ones don’t… so am wondering if you can tell me…

thanks…
You’re welcome 🙂

Lutheran orthodoxy rejects it, as, I believe, Anglican orthodoxy also does.

Reformed orthodoxy embraces it and has it as an article of faith - but as for the churches that sprung from the Reformed tradition - it’s anyone’s guess which do and which don’t, I believe. I think that the Southern Baptists in the US believes in OSAS, but I’m not sure about all the Pentecostal churches…I think it varies from church to church.
 
Since the belief in OSAS differs within denominations; would OSAS be considered a non-essential?

God bless
Most Protestants would say that it is. However, some Baptists might say that if you don’t believe in OSAS you don’t really believe in salvation by grace alone (I think this is a silly and even incoherent view, mind you), and probably a smaller number of Wesleyans might say that if you do believe in it you have no idea what grace is really about (i.e., sanctification and not just fire insurance). I wouldn’t go that far, but I do think that shorn of its Calvinist roots it’s a pretty destructive doctrine (I prefer old-fashioned Calvinism by far, for all its brutality).

Edwin
 
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