Canada and government subsidized heroin?

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Josh,

I have always enjoyed your posts. You are always kind and considerate when you post your opinion.

However, everyone seems to have a “pet sin” that others DO that they might not be able to make peace with. I myself had issues when I first used to read about those addicted to pornography. It truly made me sickened to my stomach at the sadness this is to spend time reading porn instead of being with your family and how it hurts women and wives.

Then I realized that that has never touched my family as an issue. WHO AM I to judge one sin worse than another for Jesus said:

**Romans 3:23 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"

I would hate to have an issue with some sin that my sin was so bad I can’t even post and get any helpful empathetic responses on CAF because someone had decided that my sin was too awful to deserve treatment and help.

God bless you as well.
 
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It’s happening up here in Canada as well
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Didn’t know you were referring to Canada, and in that case with Trudeau, I would not be surprised.
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So please list how it is Trudeau’s fault.
 
MaryT777 said:
I have always enjoyed your post.
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MaryT777 said:
I would hate to have an issue with some sin that my sin was so bad I can’t even post and get any helpful empathetic responses on CAF because someone had decided that my sin was too awful to deserve treatment and help.
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Never, drug addicts can absolutely post and ask others for help and indeed I really hope they do so, but to give them free heroin and try to make it ‘safe’ for them in their habit, is wrong. It would be like a porn addict coming on CAF and people advising them to do it regularly so that their passions do not lead them into greater crimes such as rape.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading.
 
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MaryT777:
I have always enjoyed your post.
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MaryT777 said:
I would hate to have an issue with some sin that my sin was so bad I can’t even post and get any helpful empathetic responses on CAF because someone had decided that my sin was too awful to deserve treatment and help.
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Never, drug addicts can absolutely post and ask others for help and indeed I really hope they do so, but to give them free heroin and try to make it ‘safe’ for them in their habit, is wrong. It would be like a porn addict coming on CAF and people advising them to do it regularly so that their passions do not lead them into greater crimes such as rape.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading.
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WEll, whether you like it or not, the Canadian and BC governments are trying something different, and I’ll take saving lives over herding people into facilities where it’s likely any treatment will fail.
 
josh987654321 said:
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the Canadian and BC governments are trying something different
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Yea, ‘impunity’ and it’s destined to fail and cause more harm.
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I have no idea what “impunity” means. Support is fairly high in BC for safe injection sites, and since BC is not a Catholic Theocracy, it’s not bound by your religious views.
 
Niceatheist,

I appreciate reading your posts on this thread. Yes the issue is not just I am going on to have some fun tonight getting heroin tonight is their body had become dependent on the drug as you say. The biochemical issues are HUGE to consider.

Rehab has been shown to be not that effective in many cases, because you can put someone in a 30/60 or 90 day or choose your time and many will get out of rehab and the first thing they do is go get more drugs, alcohol etc.

We DEFINITELY need to get these people to survive as you say so the issue can be addressed. Addiction can be highly genetic and there is no dispute the biochemical changes can make it near impossible to resist.

Peace.
 
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Impunity - basically being able to do something without consequences. Yeesh, what do they teach kids?
 
Seeksadvice said:
Impunity - basically being able to do something without consequences. Yeesh, what do they teach kids?
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I wasn’t sure of the context is all. And since everything else has been tried, I’d say harm reduction is a good next choice.
 
niceatheist said:
WEll, whether you like it or not, the Canadian and BC governments are trying something different, and I’ll take saving lives over herding people into facilities where it’s likely any treatment will fail.
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And people continue to die, surpassing last year’s total and fentanyl traces found on public transit is hardly great news.
I find you dismissing rehab concerning. If you have looked at the Vietnam article I posted, the quality of the care matters. None of them are interested in that though.
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What Vietnam Taught Us About Breaking Bad Habits : Shots - Health News : NPR
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I actually brought some of that up. One of the issues is that it’s much, much harder to get someone who’s on the street or squatting somewhere, with no steady job or support system, off of drugs. If you can get them stable enough that they can hold a job, you have a better shot.
 
That requires more work, work that none of our policymakers want to do. (Why are we even paying them?!) They preoccupy themselves with other non-important things and spend hundreds of millions on non-priorities.
The problem is once an accommodative approach is used there’s a tendency to be stuck with it. It’s like an addiction in of itself. The resources can’t be rediverted without an even larger investment to do something about effective rehab.
 
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ATraveller said:
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WEll, whether you like it or not, the Canadian and BC governments are trying something different, and I’ll take saving lives over herding people into facilities where it’s likely any treatment will fail.
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And people continue to die, surpassing last year’s total and fentanyl traces found on public transit is hardly great news.
I find you dismissing rehab concerning. If you have looked at the Vietnam article I posted, the quality of the care matters. None of them are interested in that though.
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What Vietnam Taught Us About Breaking Bad Habits : Shots - Health News : NPR
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I’m not saying rehab is bad, I’m saying forcing people into it is doomed. And that’s what being floated here.
 
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I actually brought some of that up. One of the issues is that it’s much, much harder to get someone who’s on the street or squatting somewhere, with no steady job or support system, off of drugs. If you can get them stable enough that they can hold a job, you have a better shot.
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You’re still going to have to deal with the addiction, and opiate addictions are very hard to break. Like alcoholism it is a significant physical addiction, and because opiates act like endorphins, they cause chemical changes in neurotransmitters in the brain. We can debate why and how people get hooked on opiates, but the fact is once they’re hooked, it is an overwhelming compulsion, because the brain has essentially been chemically reprogrammed.
 
MaryT777 said:
Rehab has been shown to be not that effective in many cases, because you can put someone in a 30/60 or 90 day or choose your time and many will get out of rehab and the first thing they do is go get more drugs, alcohol etc.
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That’s not a problem with rehab though, that would be to do with placing them back in the same environment as soon as they finish, which will make them simply revert back into old habits.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading.
 
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So I think the question here is how do we not do that. Because if they’ve got no jobs and nowhere to go, they’re going to end up back in the same environment.

(And honestly, I’m kind of curious on the stats on homelessness and drug use. While I know they’re correlated, I’ve definitely heard that it’s not always drug use coming first, but people seeking a way to deal with homelessness.)
 
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