Canada and government subsidized heroin?

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Josh, here’s some Wise Proverbs for you to meditate on:

Proverbs 18:13 Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish.

29:20 There is more hope for a fool than for someone who speaks without thinking.

18:2 Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions.

Also remember what Our Lord said: can the blind lead the blind? Do not both fall in the ditch?

You, by your own admission, have neither experience nor expertise - yet you presumed to speak on this subject as if you had both.

Please go and read the authoritative sources I listed previously.
 
One final thing:

I find it disgusting that you bring bipartisan polemical politics into this discussion.

This is not a political issue, it’s a humanitarian issue.

Don’t we already have enough divisive political rhetoric in this country? Is it really necessary to bring that garbage into a discussion about addiction treatments?

This is an issue of medicine, an issue of science, an issue of charity and humanity. Not a damn issue of “I’m right you’re wrong nana nana booboo lol you beta cuck” political polemics.

It is beyond sickening and disheartening to see divisive political rhetoric spewed in a discussion regarding the lives of human beings destroyed by diabolical addictions.
 
Here’s the thing about addictions: every time somebody does drugs, looks at porn, drinks a shot … it’s all a personal choice.

All that giving out “free” (to the druggy maybe, but definitely not to the taxpayers who are actually working) drugs does is reduce the chances of getting tainted product. You know what’s interesting; all actions have consequences be they good or bad. Giving pharmaceutical grade heroin simply allows the druggy to continue to get their fix without the threat of consequences of “bad” heroin or dirty needles or whatever.
 
Except drug addiction really does make chemical changes to the body and brain that aren’t something people can simply shrug off.

Here’s the thing: current programs aren’t working. And cost-wise? If those people need emergency care, or end up in jail, that’s also something the taxpayer is paying for, plus the cost of any crimes that either aren’t solved or they can’t pay for.

Having them working and paying taxes (which the stories I’ve read say the people in this program are doing) is an improvement.
 
Wow.

Referring to addicts as “druggies”.

It’s 2017, not 1957. Drug addiction is a brain disease in the same category as autism and alzheimers.

Do you go around referring to Alzheimers patients as “demented old bats?”

How about calling people with autism “retards”?

You’re just overflowing with compassion, eh?

Which of these two statements sounds more Christlike:

“Jeesh, clean yourself up you pathetic druggy”

Or

“My son, drug addiction is a cross you must bear, but by my grace you can overcome it”

Hmm?
 
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You’re approaching things from a standpoint of wisdom, knowledge, and compassion.

Some people reject wisdom, knowledge, and compassion in favor of prejudice, ignorance, and callousness.
 
I must add - those people who are approaching the drug epidemic from prejudice, ignorance, and callousness - do you folks realize you’re contributing to and exacerbating the drug epidemic? The addicts and dealers are NOT the only variables - the general public is part of it.

When the public in general remains ignorant, hardhearted, and prejudiced, the problem grows worse. It creates a climate of stigmatization and hate.

Education is a HUGE part of treating the scourge of drugs.

Treatment, legislation, and education are the three prongs to solving the drug problem.

If you don’t need treatment and the laws in place are good for you, great. But remaining ignorant on the topic and spreading lies, misinformation, and harmful stereotypes directly contradicts the educational aspect.

I beg the people who refer to methadone as “addiction replacement”, the people who refer to addicts as “druggies” - go and READ. Go to the CDC website and educate yourself about what addiction is - and what it is not.

Be part of the solution - if you’re not part of the solution, chances are you’re more than likely part of the problem.
 
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The teetotalers who would due away with such things out of a misplaced sense of justice would do irreparable harm to Gods Creation.
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Bingo! How could anyone who understands the problem have an issue with the program in Vancouver? It’s working.
 
I cannot fathom someone who has a deep understanding of the situation to take issue with it.

The only way I can see someone having a problem with it would be either out of pure ignorance or pure evil.

They would either have a knee jerk reaction to the idea, and oppose it without really understanding (pure ignorance)

Or they would legitimately not want to see people get sober, have a normal life, and would rather see them diseased and dying than “waste money” helping them (pure evil)
 
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So, where’s the help for the guy who lost ~$30-40,000 in tools because some druggy decided to cut his way into the shop and steal them? You don’t see the government rushing out to give them free tools, etc…

Where’s the government to provide free funeral expenses for the “evil guy, who actually made something of his life” who got shot by a long-term druggy?

Where’s the free money for the family of the guy who got spread all over the interstate out here by a multi-time drunk driver, who was let out of jail by the judge after violating his probation terms on a felony DUI by drinking. The drunk was drunk and driving the wrong way down the interstate.

I find it interesting, that, instead of taking responsibility for actions, the drug using community thinks that it’s ok to make comments about those of us who are clean and sober, but yet it’s terrible to call a druggy a druggy. That, ladies and gentlemen, is the real cause of society’s problems. When the people who do what should be done and behave are the ones who are “wrong” and don’t “understand.”
 
The pharisaical Catholic prayed thus with himself:

“O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity - greedy, dishonest, adulterous - or even like this druggy”

The druggy would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed “O God, be merciful to me a sinner”.

Which one of these two men went away justified before God?
 
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They’ve ‘run out’ of options. The ‘safe injection’ sites haven’t reduced deaths in British Columbia or more precisely the Greater Vancouver area. De facto legalization hasn’t helped either. They increased the number of sites including pop-up ones in the past year and deaths still increased. The number of OD deaths has already surpassed last year’s. It will be a matter of time this free heroin policy will become unsustainable and yield nothing overall.
Chronic use in a supervised setting is better than death but the trade-off is damage to organs. No one wants to mention that for some reason. The goal of the local and provincial governments isn’t to get people off them. They have little interest in investing in rehab. Actions speak louder than words.
Too bad traditional values aren’t being passed onto children to prevent another generation. That’s the long-term solution. But that might mean people can’t do whatever they please without consequences, the right thing isn’t always easy and child-like whims need to be suppressed and the ideologues who’ve been running things won’t be pleased and so the cheapest and most effective way of preventing drug uses isn’t even being employed. And we’ll be stuck with these ineffective, costly short-term measures for who knows how long.

And if it isn’t ideological, it’s a way to keep poor people poor and disengaged from the democratic process. There’s something very Orwellian about the way these policymakers behave and/or the consequences of their decisions. I would have wrote ‘the road to hell is paved with good intentions’ but that assumes these policymakers actually have good intentions.
 
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So, where’s the help for the guy who lost ~$30-40,000 in tools because some druggy decided to cut his way into the shop and steal them?
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That is exactly what won’t happen if the addicts who cannot do without it are given a safe supply. There is no reason they would be any more likely to steal than anyone else under those conditions.
 
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Spyridon said:
The pharisaical Catholic prayed thus with himself:

“O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity - greedy, dishonest, adulterous - or even like this druggy”

The druggy would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed “O God, be merciful to me a sinner”.
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… and the Lord said, here, take all the heroin you can carry… not.
 
Yea, and the Lord doth say “thou shalt not severely misunderstand and misrepresent legitimate treatment options in the midst of the worst opioid pestilence ever”
 
The trade off is organ damage?

Really?

Can you point me to the peer reviewed medical article establishing the fact that regular usage of pharmaceutical grade Diamorphine causes organ damage?

I was under the impression pharmaceutical Diamorphine is as safe for the body physically as caffeine. The issues come from addiction (which is separate from physical tolerance and dependence) and impure cuts used in street heroin.
 
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What’s the argument here? If the argument is “we shouldn’t help people who have a serious issue because they’re bad people”…that doesn’t really help anyone.
 
Anything tax money goes towards with a potential evil is bad. In Canada, their taxes go towards abortion, contraception, same-sex marriages, Planned Parenthood, and a government with a ruling party that violates freedom of conscience on voting matters regarding abortion policies.

To give heroin away isa strategy in the same vein (pardon the pun) as the above, to force tax money on a programme that the taxpayer ought not have anything to do with. All across Canada, methadone clinics have turned into opiod-lite overdose centres on the tax dime. So much so that some clinics now ask their clients if they’d like a naloxone kit as well.

There still remains a lot of controversy behind the concept of ‘addiction’ as we understand the man’s relation towards their substance of choice - is dependence truly such, and how to treat or deal with one who is ‘addicted’ to a drug. If taxpayer money has to go towards anything, it ought to be, as covered under the current MCP programme, better rehabilitation services (which are also a massive joke, in the UK and Canada, as well as Ireland and Australia).
 
The thing right now is we don’t have better rehabilitation services. Our best services have something like a 40% failure rate.
 
Tru, because socialized medicine doesn’t work.

Let’s just pump them with free heroin and wait for them to overdose.
 
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