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Again, not to de-rail the thread but does anyone know of secular reasons why homosexuals should live chaste lives?

I don’t know how to argue this very well outside of the Church, anyone have clues?
 
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HagiaSophia:
I thought his comment interesting however as he inadvertently I’m sure, touched on another subject. If God is driven out of government totally, from whence then do inalienable rights come? If “rights” are granted by the state as the “supreme authority” – then what the government has given, the government can take away. Interesting. Sometimes people say more than they mean to without realizing it.
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The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms begins with this clause:

Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:
 
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Again, not to de-rail the thread but does anyone know of secular reasons why homosexuals should live chaste lives?

I don’t know how to argue this very well outside of the Church, anyone have clues?
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I am no longer convinced of the wisdom of arguing the secular position and of arguing in parts. The Culture of Life is an integrated vision of the Catholic Church. To truly understand any of the parts, it is absolutely necessary to understand the whole. God wants souls, not talking points.
 
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I am no longer convinced of the wisdom of arguing the secular position and of arguing in parts. The Culture of Life is an integrated vision of the Catholic Church. To truly understand any of the parts, it is absolutely necessary to understand the whole. God wants souls, not talking points.
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True, but sadly many aren’t a part of the Church and so arguments using the authority of the Church aren’t terribly effective. I agree with you though.
 
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True, but sadly many aren’t a part of the Church and so arguments using the authority of the Church aren’t terribly effective. I agree with you though.
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The authority of the Church is not in question here. The truth in the Church’s teaching is in question. The opposition wants to divide the Gospel of Life into little bits, redefine those bits, and thus circumvent the logic and virtue of the whole.

Marriage should have been left to the jurisdiction of the Church and to other religious institutions. An Adult Dependents Act could have been drafted and passed instead of the SSM Act, as Bishop Henry suggested. This would have de-sexualized the discussion and included non-sexual partners. If those partners wanted to have sex, then so what?
 
Ani Ibi:
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms begins with this clause:

Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:
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That’s this week…I don’t trust any of’em anymore.
 
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HagiaSophia:
That’s this week…I don’t trust any of’em anymore.
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I don’t either. Of the Canadians I know, apart from official agencies like CCRL, I have read the Charter. None of my neighbours have even read their own Charter. But those who would dismantle it, quote it liberally. The real enemy is ignorance: comfort and ignorance.
 
I think it’s those who are politically agressive and organized who push the interpretation of the charter. I’d say they would hire a lawyer to say “which God?”, or else “that’s a general statement that’s overidden by the more specific clauses further on in the charter”, or whatever else a lawyer can dream up. And then there are precedents.
 
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Aureole:
Again, not to de-rail the thread but does anyone know of secular reasons why homosexuals should live chaste lives?

I don’t know how to argue this very well outside of the Church, anyone have clues?
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Hi Aureole!

I have taken this argument to the public square and argued from a secular position. Of course I have met with almost unanimous disagreement, but I have not had my position refuted whatsoever.

You probably already know the health (physical & psychological) reasons - but these are tremendously effective agruments in my experience. Many of the people I have argued with tend to draw from the ‘secular humanist’ strain of thought and citing scientific evidence can sometimes push a few people to seriously consider your (and reconsider their own) position.

There are several worthwhile articles in the recent issues of Catholic Insight magazine and First Things. CI discusses the overwhelming negative physical & pyschological effects of active homosexual genital expression, while this particular First Things essay discusses the push to label teens & pre-teens ‘homosexual’. Both are stocked with insight and information.

Here is Douglas Farrow’s essay:

lifesite.net/ldn/2005_docs/Farrow.pdf
 
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