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hunter2
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Good point. Ideally, it should be handled person to person.
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hunter2
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my friend is gay. Saying that his loving sexual interactions are “sinful”, is stupid and denigrating. Christians have some good ideas, but their opinions on gays are hateful. Catholics sound like vicious mongrel attack dogs bent on spreading venomous hatred.
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And I really don’t care if you think that it is stupid and denigrating. I don’t care. It is disgusting, pointless, and fruitless. Granted, I do not take the Catholic position on gays. I personally, am more of what you described **as opposed to most Catholics. ** Most Catholics really don’t care either way as they lean to the left. I don’t. The way the gay lobby behaves and treats us, I feel that civil unrest on our side is called for. I mean, our society and political system is being trashed for a tiny minority. California has voted 3 or 4 times against gay “marriage”, and yet it is still gunna happen. So much for democracy, huh? Running to the courts, is NOT democracy. When the good of all is overlooked for the good of the few, that is not a democracy. And slavery does not count, not in the same ballpark. Basic human rights and gay marriage, have nothing in common. Gays do not add the next generation nor do they add to the foundation of a stable society, and therby not entitled to the benefits of those who do. And no, hetero couples with no children should not have those perks either. Gay “marriage” will have unintended socialist and societal consequences.
Well that goes both ways(no pun) pal. The vitriol expressed by many gays is sometimes much worse than Christian teachings on gays. I mean, if this white boy were suddenly dropped into the inner city, I would accept that I am out of my territory and may very well be treated…differently, no?
And I really don’t care if you think that it is stupid and denigrating. I don’t care. It is disgusting, pointless, and fruitless. Granted, I do not take the Catholic position on gays. I personally, am more of what you described **as opposed to most Catholics. ** Most Catholics really don’t care either way as they lean to the left. I don’t. The way the gay lobby behaves and treats us, I feel that civil unrest on our side is called for. I mean, our society and political system is being trashed for a tiny minority. California has voted 3 or 4 times against gay “marriage”, and yet it is still gunna happen. So much for democracy, huh? Running to the courts, is NOT democracy. When the good of all is overlooked for the good of the few, that is not a democracy. And slavery does not count, not in the same ballpark. Basic human rights and gay marriage, have nothing in common. Gays do not add the next generation nor do they add to the foundation of a stable society, and therby not entitled to the benefits of those who do. And no, hetero couples with no children should not have those perks either. Gay “marriage” will have unintended socialist and societal consequences.
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I think so. Who would be willing to shell out money to a lawyer because some bonehead is being disrespectful? Not me. A swift smack in the chops will settle things just fine. After polite request first, of course.
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Fitswimmer
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It is a statement of fact that the Catholic Church teaches that homosexual acts are sinful. It is also a statement of fact that the Church teaches that homosexual persons are to be treated with dignity and respect. The fact that individual Catholics can be hateful in their treatment of gays doesn’t change those facts.
I’m homosexual myself and I have been treated very well and very hatefully by Catholics, just like I have been treated very well and very hatefully by members of others faiths. My priest told me, in no uncertain terms, “God loves you and the Church loves you”.
I view treatment as the responsibility of the individual, not the religion that they profess.
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mdr
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Nah, I have relatives in Canada that I might want to visit sometimes.
Maybe we could do an exchange of nuisances - send all the ultraliberal Americans north where they’ll fit right in, and have all the Canadian “religious right” (traditional Christians and Jews, etc.) come down here. There would likely be a net population gain up there, but there’s probably room for them all. No border wall needed
Just kidding
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Lost_Found
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Thank you for the awesome post. I see you are a very courageous person. Some of the top posters of this website share your experience. Please pray for the misinformed who have told you God does not love you. Your prayers are very powerful because you accept your extra challenge with humility. Please say a prayer for the rest of us on this thread. Please teach both the misinformed/uninformed heterosexuals and homosexuals of the correct Catholic teachings on chastity.
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Lost_Found
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Unfortunately we are all brought into this spiritual battle, like it or not. It has no borders. The Kingdom of God is at hand and yet not complete here, and the devil is allowed to roam in the meantime. Rest assured the war has been definitively won for us but the battles go on. You must fight the spiritual battle, do not bury your head in the sand.
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Lost_Found
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OneTime: When our southern neighbours discuss freedom we might wish to listen. They invented and pioneered modern democracy and freedom of speech and liberty. Paid for it with lives. Paved the way for the rest of us to copy it. So, I don’t think you’ll be giving them lessons on this singular/particular topic. I don’t suck up to them but I do give credit where it’s due.More Propaganda from the Religious Right…he is not being imprisoned. That’s fear mongering.
Anyway, I’m glad people can’t spout hate speech in Canada…I guess that’s the bottom line.
People are really paranoid around here about an anti-Catholic agenda ( there isn’t one) and spend a lot of time worrying about homosexual sin.
People around here are not “spending time worrying about homosexual sin”. They spend time worrying about Truth. Catholicism does Truth like no other. No compromise. No exceptions. The rest of us struggle with keeping the teachings too you know.
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Anybody want to send a moving van northward?Nah, I have relatives in Canada that I might want to visit sometimes.
Maybe we could do an exchange of nuisances - send all the ultraliberal Americans north where they’ll fit right in, and have all the Canadian “religious right” (traditional Christians and Jews, etc.) come down here. There would likely be a net population gain up there, but there’s probably room for them all. No border wall needed
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didymus
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Bat puckey.
This is a naked political power grab. It’s about shutting up your enemies and intimidating everyone else who disagrees with you.
Certainly the pastor, by the intemperance of his remarks, gave them plenty of ammo, but gay activists won’t brook any criticism from anyone.
They are going after a Catholic priest, Alphonse de Valk, publisher of Catholic Insight magazine for an article opposing gay marriage. The article was far more moderate that pastor Boissoin & clearly stated that we must hate the sin but love the sinner. Not good enough, apparently.
How long until the Catechism, which states homosexuality is “morally disordered” is banned?
You say we’re free to believe what we want as long as we don’t preach it publicly. You have to know that is no freedom at all.
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RWMorris
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How many “tenets of his faith” must he renounce before he has renounced his faith? I believe the answer is, One. There is no difference between renouncing a tenet of one’s faith and renouncing one’s faith.
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Homosexuality is NOT, and never will be, natural and normal. It is deviant behavior. It’s just that anybody who practices any form of deviant behavior will never see themselves as deviant and will always use whatever tricks and strategies they can in order to justify their love of the deviant behavior.
Terrorists who kill children and women are deviants, but they consider it natural.
Child molesters consider it natural. See NAMBLA’s absolute sheer utter junk for great examples.
Just two great examples.
the problem is the deviants are winning because the squeaky wheel gets the grease and they are making a lot of noise and targeting our youths.
Terrorists who kill children and women are deviants, but they consider it natural.
Child molesters consider it natural. See NAMBLA’s absolute sheer utter junk for great examples.
Just two great examples.
the problem is the deviants are winning because the squeaky wheel gets the grease and they are making a lot of noise and targeting our youths.
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averheyen
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When it’s inconvient to accept it.
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RWMorris
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Good point, but the Truth ultimately does not denigrate, it is the action’s morality, revealed by the light of the Truth, that denigrate.
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Muzhik
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Well, what happens if someone does not accept the decision of one of these HRTs? If the pastor refuses to pay any fines, continues to write and have his writings published (I’m assuming this order includes any writings published anywhere in the world, including the US), and refuses to write the letter of apology, what then?
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Spirithound
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This case is an example where someone just ignored the HRT, and were found in contempt of court, fined even more and sentenced to 1 yr imprisonment. This case was 18 years ago, but couldn’t find a later one quickly. Grains of salt please.
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Muzhik
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Whoa! So you have precedents established which are obviously still in effect:
*]that the suppression of speech deemed by the government as “hateful” is not a limitation of freedom of expression;
*]that telephone communications are not private;
*]that a finding by a Human Rights Commission is not the same as a conviction by a criminal court since a “criminal conviction carries a degree of stigma and punishment”, which obviously a finding by an HRC does not;
*]and a finding by an HRC has the same legal standing as a finding by a criminal court, since ignoring an HRC finding is considered to be contempt of court.
(If you’re wondering about #2 above, during an HRC involving a right-wing group, it was revealed that the investigators for the HRC hacked into an unsuspecting woman’s wireless network in order to use it to send messages to the right-wing group. Since the hacking was done without the woman’s knowledge or permission and without a court order, the investigators admitted in court to violating Canadian law. To date no charges or other penalties have been applied to these investigators.)
Frankly I don’t see these as issues that should be taken “with a grain of salt.”
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crenfro
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I like what Father Corapi says about the difference between what is freedom and what is license.
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Dale_M
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And that difference would be…what?
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