Canadian archbishop says women's ordination ritual will not be valid

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**Canadian archbishop says women’s ordination ritual will not be valid

**By Domenic D. Nicassio
Catholic News Service

TORONTO (CNS) – Though nine women will be ordained priests on a boat in the St. Lawrence River in July, Canadian Archbishop Anthony Meagher of Kingston said the ceremony will be neither Catholic nor an ordination.

“To attempt an ordination this way is to step outside the church. If someone decides they don’t want to be Catholic, there is nothing we can do. There is no need for me to get out into a row boat and announce that what they are doing is wrong,” he said June 7.

At the same time, Archbishop Meagher said that as a protest the actions have significance. “There is no doubt the church has to change. There has to be more involvement of women in leadership and in decision-making,” he said. But staging an invalid ordination is not the way to do it, he said. “I think there are more effective ways to protest,” Archbishop Meagher said.

An association of approximately 14 groups is coordinating the ordination ceremony under the name “Roman Catholic Womenpriests Program.” The ceremony will take place July 25 in the middle of the St. Lawrence River, following a women’s ordination conference July 22-24 at Carleton University in Ottawa.

To avoid the jurisdiction of the Kingston Archdiocese and the Diocese of Ogdensburg, N.Y., the organizers have rented a tour boat that will float on the border between Canada and the United States. Among the nearly 500 seats available, 220 already have been purchased at a cost of US$85 each.

Archbishop Meagher said the jurisdiction is “irrelevant because there is no ordination.”

The July event will mark the first of its kind in North America. It is modeled after a similar event that took place in 2002 on the Danube River, between Germany and Austria, where seven women were ordained by a schismatic bishop.

The women who took part in that ceremony were excommunicated by the Vatican less than a month after the ceremony. Two of the women priests have since been ordained “bishops” and will perform the St. Lawrence ordinations.

Father Thomas Lynch, dean of studies at St. Augustine’s Seminary in Toronto, predicted the Vatican will respond quickly, as it did after the Danube River incident. “Individuals who have sought this path before have been excommunicated,” he said. “There will likely be a public statement from Rome for the sake of the faithful.”

Victoria Rue, a candidate for the upcoming ordination, said the threat of excommunication would not keep her from participating.

“I always felt no one could take my church away from me. If it (excommunication) happens, it happens, but it is not anything that would deter me,” she said.

She said her desire to be ordained has to do with “understanding the inclusiveness of all images of God.”

After the ceremony, the women priests will have no parish and will make only one vow of “co-authority,” rather than obedience.

Another candidate, Michele Birch-Conery, 65, a former nun who lives on Vancouver Island, will continue to teach feminist literary analysis at North Island College while acting as a priest for anyone who calls.

“We could be called to the gay and lesbian community here on the island. They might call me to do a blessing or marriage. I probably could become a marriage commissioner for British Columbia,” she said.

Birch-Conery said she would “present myself to the people as a Catholic priest.”

Father Lynch said the church teaching stipulating that the priesthood was reserved for men is “not about women being less as persons.”

“The church feels it has the right to only ordain men because it is a tradition that has been given to us by the Lord himself, and has been affirmed by the power of the Holy Spirit through the centuries,” Father Lynch said.

In any action of the sacraments, it is principally Christ who acts, and only secondarily the priest. Christ’s maleness, and by extension, the male priesthood, keeps alive the nuptial symbolism that is so much a part of biblical theology and Catholic worship, he said.

“Christ is the bridegroom of the church, and if a priest is … to act in the person of Christ, he must be male,” Father Lynch said.

Source : catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0503401.htm
 
File under “painfully obvious.”

One question I do have, if she does hold herself our as a “Catholic priest” – might there be some action against her under commsumer protection laws? I mean, she is claiming an affiliation she does not have.
 
Sarah Jane said:
Canadian archbishop says women’s ordination ritual will not be valid

From the CCC:

1577 “Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination.”[66] The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry.[67] The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ’s return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.[68]

Valid is not a legal term like licit or illicit. Something can be valid but illicit, like the schismatic ordination of bishops. So even if the Pope tried to perform the sacrament of holy orders on a woman, no sacrament could take effect. That’s the meaning of not valid. It’s the same as attempting the sacrament of matrimony between two individuals of the same sex…not valid (even if the Pope performs the ceremony).
 
Sarah Jane:
Father Lynch said the church teaching stipulating that the priesthood was reserved for men is "not about women being less as persons."

“The church feels it has the right to only ordain men because it is a tradition that has been given to us by the Lord himself, and has been affirmed by the power of the Holy Spirit through the centuries,” Father Lynch said.

In any action of the sacraments, it is principally Christ who acts, and only secondarily the priest. Christ’s maleness, and by extension, the male priesthood, keeps alive the nuptial symbolism that is so much a part of biblical theology and Catholic worship, he said.

“Christ is the bridegroom of the church, and if a priest is … to act in the person of Christ, he must be male,” Father Lynch said.
AMEN!!! I don’t feel like i am less of a women just because i can’t be a priest. I think these women need to seek help because they have self-identity and low moral issues.
 
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beckers:
AMEN!!! I don’t feel like i am less of a women just because i can’t be a priest. I think these women need to seek help because they have self-identity and low moral issues.
I am encouraged however by Pope Benedict’s desire to be more inclusive of women in the Church. That is a very good move. It will undercut the spurious claims of heterodox nuns, it will give faithful women some productive work to do if it does not fall to them to be mothers, and it will strengthen the Church.
 
Ani Ibi:
I am encouraged however by Pope Benedict’s desire to be more inclusive of women in the Church. That is a very good move. It will undercut the spurious claims of heterodox nuns, it will give faithful women some productive work to do if it does not fall to them to be mothers, and it will strengthen the Church.
Which was the whole point I think of Vatican Two. Not to all stand around and hold hands and pray to the Earth godess or turn to the Church into the “Theology of the Month CLub.” But rather to really engage the faithful.

When I heard all these commentators on his election going on about how this election “proved” that Vatican Two was dead, I almost laughed. More than anyone, Pope Benedict realizes that Vatican Two was simply a council of the Church, not the church itself, and considering his importance to the Council, no one knows better what it really means.
 
Ani Ibi:
I am encouraged however by Pope Benedict’s desire to be more inclusive of women in the Church. That is a very good move. It will undercut the spurious claims of heterodox nuns, it will give faithful women some productive work to do if it does not fall to them to be mothers, and it will strengthen the Church.
I guess I feel different because I have never felt that I have not been a member of the church just because I am a women. If you want to be a member than you need to be active. There are TONS of things any lay person, no matter what sex they are, can do for the church. I just think that these women have low self-esteem issues. They feel as if they are somehow less of a being simple because they are being deined something. They need to learn to love and accept GOD’s plans and themselves. We may not understand those plans but we have to accept them. GOD would not leave us down a bad path…Yes GOD is calling you to be active in your faith and tend to his sheep but he not asking you to be the shepard.

beckers
 
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amcalabrese:
and considering his importance to the Council, no one knows better what it really means.
True. For a long time people were attempting to lecture me on the ‘true meaning of Vatican II’ when they had not even bothered to read the source document.
 
Ani Ibi:
Are you suggesting that I am not active? :bigyikes: :rotfl:
Of Course NOT…you do have something like 3000 post so I would say your very active 😃

I really just talking about people in general. I wish people would just be active in some sense. I know that I use to be jealous of other peoples involvement with church members. They looked like they felt comfortable in the church and with the people. I though it was because the were special but it’s because they choose to be active in their faith. They decided to help the church and their faith lives by being involved. I too decided to be involved and have receieved that peace and enjoyment that i was orignally jealous of.
 
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amcalabrese:
File under “painfully obvious.”

One question I do have, if she does hold herself our as a “Catholic priest” – might there be some action against her under commsumer protection laws? I mean, she is claiming an affiliation she does not have.
No more than the idiot claiming to be pope who had his votes burned in the trash can in his backyard…I mean you can call yourself a Ferrari too, that doesn’t mean you are one – people just look at you kind of strangely and back away slowly.
 
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