Cannabalism

[BrooklynBoy200]

To continue my threads on strange topics…

I was wondering, if you are like, lost in the mountains and the person with you dies, is cannabalism a sin, and should you just pray and let yourself die?

 

[LilyM]

To continue my threads on strange topics…

I was wondering, if you are like, lost in the mountains and the person with you dies, is cannabalism a sin, and should you just pray and let yourself die?

If it’s a last resort it’s fine.

There was a movie made a couple of years ago about a South American soccer team who had a planecrash in the Andes and had no food. Some of them refused to eat the flesh of those who died in the crash, being worried that it might be a sin.

The ones who did were reassured on their rescue that they hadn’t committed any sin.

 

[thistle]

To continue my threads on strange topics…

I was wondering, if you are like, lost in the mountains and the person with you dies, is cannabalism a sin, and should you just pray and let yourself die?

If the person with you died why would you sit around anyway? Wouldn’t you try to find a way out?

 

[BrooklynBoy200]

If the person with you died why would you sit around anyway? Wouldn’t you try to find a way out?

I don’t know…
I guess i mean if your legs were frozen and you couldn’t move or something.

 

[TOP]

lol, you do come up with some funny ones. Don’t think i could eat my friend, sin or not. Tim

 

[Kevin42]

In the 16th century, Pope Innocent IV declared cannibalism a sin. That is all I have found on cannibalism from the Church though. I couldn’t give any reason or context.

 

[JohnHasSeriousQ]

But this is what the Bible says about cannibalism:
“And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.” – Jeremiah 19:9
and
“This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him.” 2 Kings 6:28-29
just to name a few.

Why is the Bible so violent?

 

[thistle]

But this is what the Bible says about cannibalism:
“And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.” – Jeremiah 19:9
and
“This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him.” 2 Kings 6:28-29
just to name a few.

Why is the Bible so violent?

How many threads are you in keeping asking the same question about violence in the Bible. Its like a broken record playing over and over!

 

[deb1]

But this is what the Bible says about cannibalism:
“And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.” – Jeremiah 19:9
and
“This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him.” 2 Kings 6:28-29
just to name a few.

Why is the Bible so violent?

I’d have to ask the context of these stories in order to judge.

LIfe itself is pretty violent. Should the bible leave out such stories simple because they would one day bother our modern sensibilities.

Currently, we live in a world in which we can blindly deny the reality of death and violence that is natural to our world. Take purchasing meat for instance. Many years ago, a person would buy a live chicken, kill it themselves, clean the inside and pluck the carcass. Now we have nice little cellophane wrapped packages without any resemblance to the actual bird.

Living to adulthood was an accomplishment before antibiotics as was surviving child birth.

Looking down our noses at our ancestors for admitting that their lives were often violent and harsh seems a bit narrow sighted to me. You are trying to view a book written during a much more violent time with modern lenses.

 

[Sandi]

my opinion only…but it seems to me that the sin would be in killing someone for the purpose of eating them…(yuck)

Eating someone who’s already dead in order to survive is morally permissible.

 

[Socio_Momma]

Like the movie Alive (1993)? About the Andes plane crash of the soccer team. The Catholic Church did announce that in that circumstance there was no sin committed by those who survived by eating the flesh of the dead (who died through no fault of the others). It’s a rare circumstance (I hope )

 

[LilyM]

Like the movie Alive (1993)? About the Andes plane crash of the soccer team. The Catholic Church did announce that in that circumstance there was no sin committed by those who survived by eating the flesh of the dead (who died through no fault of the others). It’s a rare circumstance (I hope )

Exactly. That was the movie I was thinking of.

 

[JohnHasSeriousQ]

Please believe that my criticisms are not meant to inflame, rather they are meant to be used in a way to get to the truth, and as such, I thank you deb1 for putting me in my place, I have been accused of being arrogant or even hostile in my thinking at times. Please allow me to clarify to whom my judgment is directed in using the above two passages in this forum in this way, and why. In no way do I mean to look down my nose at our ancestors for surviving in any way that they have, in fact I am eternally grateful (as long as I have the ability to hold beliefs) that they did survive to give rise to me.

I am concerned that the “context of these stories” involves God causing the conditions our ancestors suffered/survived under. In Jer. 19:9 ‘them/their/they’ refers to our non-God fearing or other god worshiping ancestors of what was then Hinnom, as we see in Jer. 19:4-6. It was Gods’ displeasure that some of my ancestors did not believe in Him that He then caused some of my other ancestors to eat their friends. In 2 Kings 6:28-29 it is because it was in Gods plan that a plague took place in what was then Samaria that these two women resorted to eating their sons. Only we humans can implement an economic plan where we do not have to suffer like this when one area of this planet experiences a plague (be it caused by God or not).

I do not blame our ancestors for suffering and surviving the way they did, nor do I blame anyone for the suffering and surviving our ancestors endured. We humans act as we do according to free will (at least in part, and thus bare our own responsibility), and for our own purpose (even survival), and thus any additional consequences that we cannot be responsible for (like thinking, or believing in a particular way) should not be imposed upon us by God. For were God to do so, would it not be violent?

Let me be clear. If I had too, I do not know if would eat people, although if I did, I do not think I could blame myself for doing so. I could also not blame God for my hunger, nor could I blame Him for my satisfying that hunger in this way. To hold this belief would necessarily entail also holding the belief that God caused my hunger and my satisfaction, or that God at anytime is the cause of any hunger I have, or the cause of any satisfaction I ever experience for any hunger I may have, right?

 

[runandsew]

But this is what the Bible says about cannibalism:
“And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.” – Jeremiah 19:9
and
“This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him.” 2 Kings 6:28-29
just to name a few.

Why is the Bible so violent?

God was turning them over to sin, because they were rejecting him. God didn’t want them to sin, but since they rejected him and his ways, they turned to the customs of their neighboring countries.

When we sin we reject God.
God’s punishment is that we enjoy the sin, and revel in it.
God’s mercy is that because of this sin we will hit rock bottom and find out that we need him, that we can not do it on our own.

As as for the violence in the Old testament, like the genocide, I would recommend that you listen to Scott Hahn’s audio series Our Fathers Plan, he covers why God allowed the Jews to perform the ‘ban’ on the other nations.

I think this subject is covered on the program called “israel in egypt”

I noticed that you have asked this question before on different threads, so you really might want to listen to it. It might not satisfy you, but it is an explaination.

 

[blessedtoo]

Socio_Momma Like the movie Alive (1993)? About the Andes plane crash of the soccer team. The Catholic Church did announce that in that circumstance there was no sin committed by those who survived by eating the flesh of the dead (who died through no fault of the others). It’s a rare circumstance (I hope )

Thanks so much for this reply! I saw that movie again (9 times now) a few weeks ago and googled for info on what the Church said regarding their cannabilism. I couldn’t find anything and was very frustrated. Do you remember where you got this info?

 

[Socio_Momma]

Thanks so much for this reply! I saw that movie again (9 times now) a few weeks ago and googled for info on what the Church said regarding their cannabilism. I couldn’t find anything and was very frustrated. Do you remember where you got this info?

It was widely reported and part of the whole discussion when the movie came out. I believe the Documentary on the film briefly touched on it too. It’s is talked about it the books by the survivors like Nando Parrado’s book: *Miracle in the Andes: 72 Days on the Mountain and My Long Trek Home *

 

[Evan]

Thanks so much for this reply! I saw that movie again (9 times now) a few weeks ago and googled for info on what the Church said regarding their cannabilism. I couldn’t find anything and was very frustrated. Do you remember where you got this info?

Also a book by the same name (Alive) that, in the final chapters, discusses the attitudes of the soccer team towards canaballism.

 

[Sandi]

John, what in heck are you talking about?

 

[Sabda]

I saw that movie also. One thing that impressed me about the movie was that they really discussed this. Should they or shouldn’t they? It wasn’t something that was done on impulse simply because they were starving. Then after they made their decision they prayed. The Hail Mary to be exact. I will never forget that part of the movie.

 

[gallo]

Maybe instead of taking the time to speculate about whether cannibalism is morally acceptable, use the time more wisely and study some survival manuals on edible plants and animals for different climates and geographies.

Just my opinion…