they are given to us either de jure
So you’re saying rights derive from law? This is positivism, and is contrary to Catholic social teaching and to modern political philosophy.
through our teleology towards God himself.
This sounds like consequentialism.
“The Catholic view of natural law is that we have rights because we have responsibilities, or one could put it in Kantian terms as “ought implies can”. If you’ve got a responsibility/duty/obligation to actualize some end, the means, as far as possible, should be available to you so that you can actualize the end.”
Not the Catholic view, but the Kantian one, with a bit of consequentialism thrown in.
Your deleted post also implies consequentialism, when you say that our rights derive from our ordering toward God. That might not be untrue, but it’s certainly incomplete. We are made in the image and likeness of God. This is the basis of human dignity, which rights are meant to protect and ensure the flourishing of, which flourishing leads to our achieving our end of union with God.
Perhaps you are mistaking teleology (our view of natural law) with deontology.
Perhaps you’re just throwing around a bunch of philosophical terms to be contrarian? Again, where did you study Philosophy?
“Morality as Aristotle suggests is rooted in the very nature of things “per se”
To him, reason could extract the intelligibility of order from things and nature, especially within ourselves, and by it understand that we as individuals have and end/purpose.”
Which doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said. Quite the opposite, it just affirms it. I’m arguing, quite in line with Catholic social teaching, that rights are inherent to human dignity, and not given by law. They are a result of our nature, and that nature is ordered toward an end.
What’s wrong with the priest’s and my freind’s explanation?
That you’re all over the place and not really being all that coherent. You seem to think I’m wrong no matter what, and you’re right no matter what, so you’ll just be contrarian. Which I suspect is a manifestation of the OCD issues you mention in other threads. It gives you validation and the feeling of control to talk down to someone else, particularly when that someone is in a position of authority with some education.
You should seek help for your OCD, especially if it leads to a display like this.
You are in my prayers.
-Fr ACEGC
