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Saxum
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I’m sorry but I don’t understand your meaning?
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Blue_Horizon
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You mean a change in Church rules which happens all the time 
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Please spare us the saving of Catholic marriage as we know it Scotty line.
.Please spare us the saving of Catholic marriage as we know it Scotty line.
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Saxum
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What do you mean by a ‘change in Church rules?’ Doctrine can develop but it can never change. Church discipline can change.You mean a change in Church rules which happens all the time
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Blue_Horizon
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… See #39 above.
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Saxum
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The problems with AL aren’t disciplinary. They strike at the very morality of the Church. I’m repeating what I’ve read and I’m no expert, but I trust the judgment of men like Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider, and Father Aidan Nichols. I also remember the huge petition sent to the Pope to clarify AL. I’m a simple layman but John Paul II was my pope and I feel like his Magisterial teachings are being undermined. Nevertheless, I place my trust in Jesus.
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Exactly, you are no expert.
You blindly repeat the views of those you agree with…but not the Pope.
If you cannot see the fragility of this approach when you dont really understand then noone can help you further.
You blindly repeat the views of those you agree with…but not the Pope.
If you cannot see the fragility of this approach when you dont really understand then noone can help you further.
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Saxum
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I’m not asking for your help or anybody else’s help. I have a spiritual director and several priest friends who are all worried about the ramifications of AL. That doesn’t mean we dislike Pope Francis and we’re not disobedient. We just want him to answer the dubia and confirm us in the Faith.
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theCardinalbird
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Hi just curious to know what is Al
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Blue_Horizon
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AI is artificial intelligence 
AL is Amoris Laetitia.
Some think AL is just AI!
AL is Amoris Laetitia.
Some think AL is just AI!
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1Lord1Faith
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Popes don’t write Exhortations to simply repeat what a previous Encyclical has already stated.
There has been a development in the practice of giving the sacraments to the divorced and remarried.
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Saxum
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That is not a development but a contradiction. I don’t want to start a discussion about this, but that’s what many of us think - which is why Pope Francis should answer the dubia. The Pope alone can resolve the ambiguities and uncertainties. It won’t solve anything if we debate the issue. We need Peter to stand up and explain how this is a legitimate development of doctrine. Many experts have said that the Germans and Maltese are contradicting moral theology and doctrine. Pope Francis needs to step up. If he doesn’t, his successor will.
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1Lord1Faith
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He already has. In a letter to the Argentine bishops. And, apparently, there is historical precedence for a pope taking that course of action in order to provide clarity.
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Saxum
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I’m not engaging in this debate with you - not because I disagree - because I’m not qualified. However, I’ll end by saying that the letter to the Argentine Bishops is not enough. Francis needs to answer the dubia. As for me, I’ll keep the Faith as it has always been handed down. I stand by the teachings of Familiaris Consortio. I love Pope Francis but he must know that this so-called development is unstable - that’s why he lost his temper at the end of the Synod when the Fathers voted against his proposals and that’s why he had to sneak the changes in via a footnote. Francis is my Pope and I love him but he must answer the dubia and the many other questions/petitions/articles/Bishops Conferences who disagree with what the Argentine Bishops are doing. If Francis doesn’t clear things up, his successor will.
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This letter was very helpful in clarifying his intention. It did nothing at all to clarify what many persons (including bishops) see as doctrinal conflicts.
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If you’re right, then why did the Cardinals issue the dubia? Why did the priests send the petition? Why did Father Nichols call for the change in canon law? Why did theologians hold a conference in Rome about this issue?
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1Lord1Faith
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Maybe they should draft a letter making their intentions clear.
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Rau
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If you were not aware, I can only suggest you read a little more widely. The discipline itself is not doctrine, but the reasoning that proposes the discipline traverses doctrine and not all are comfortable that said reasoning conforms to doctrine.
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esieffe
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A really good point. There was a post a while ago that mentioned several examples of that happening in the past, though I can’t recall enough of the details to put any down here. It did however clearly demonstrate, that scripture isn’t just a bunch of words. The Church will and does prevail, so it is in God’s capable hands, not in ours.
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