Canon Law versus Eastern Theology

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Which takes precedence, Canon Law or Eastern Theology? i.e. Indulgences, Purgatory. Does this theology vary from one Eastern Church to another? i.e. Byzantine, Maronite.

I ask this with the utmost sincerity…but I can’t help but get lost in trying to understand said beliefs by a certain group of people when you read remarks like,

EC have to follow the same Laws we’re both Catholic

Then another will say they just have a different perspective on Theology.

Instead of bringing clarity this only brings more confusion…because isn’t a different the reason we have a plethora of faith choices?
 
ECs have different Canons, so this claim that we follow the same laws are incorrect.
 
Which takes precedence, Canon Law or Eastern Theology? i.e. Indulgences, Purgatory. Does this theology vary from one Eastern Church to another? i.e. Byzantine, Maronite.

I ask this with the utmost sincerity…but I can’t help but get lost in trying to understand said beliefs by a certain group of people when you read remarks like,

EC have to follow the same Laws we’re both Catholic

Then another will say they just have a different perspective on Theology.

Instead of bringing clarity this only brings more confusion…because isn’t a different the reason we have a plethora of faith choices?
Consider this quote from St. Pope John Paul II, in 1995:Participation in Trinitarian life takes place through the liturgy and in a special way through the Eucharist, the mystery of communion with the glorified body of Christ, the seed of immortality.(13) In divinization and particularly in the sacraments, Eastern theology attributes a very special role to the Holy Spirit: through the power of the Spirit who dwells in man deification already begins on earth; the creature is transfigured and God’s kingdom inaugurated.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_02051995_orientale-lumen_en.html

*From the Vatican, on May 2, the liturgical memorial of Saint Athanasius, Bishop and Doctor of the Church, in the year 1995, the seventeenth of my Pontificate
 
ECs have different Canons, so this claim that we follow the same laws are incorrect.
I’m glad, of course, that you pointed that out and this thread didn’t head further down an erroneous path.

Perhaps a new direction for the thread could be: Is it a very common misconception that all churches in the Roman Communion have the same canon laws?
 
I’m glad, of course, that you pointed that out and this thread didn’t head further down an erroneous path.

Perhaps a new direction for the thread could be: Is it a very common misconception that all churches in the Roman Communion have the same canon laws?
I’m also not completely understanding why we are comparing theology vs canon law. They are not the same thing. Frankly it makes me sad. The Latin Church is so big and pervasive that the vast majority of it’s members, at least from the evidence on these forums, are so ignorant of Church history. There were always different schools of theology with different emphases. The Church was never as Rome centric as it is today. You had an seemingly endless stream of arguments between various bishops over countless issues including popes being called to task. You have long periods of time where various patriarchs would strike other patriarchs from the diptychs thereby breaking communion. That doesn’t exclude the pope either by the way. He was struck from the diptychs on a number of occasions too. Could you imagine that happening today?! 🙂

My point in saying this is not to beat up on Latin Catholics. It’s an innocent ignorance. It’s not their fault. But if the Eastern Catholic Churches are ever to assume their place as true sister Churches of the Latin Church there is going to have to be an effort on the part of Latin bishops and catechist to educate their faithful. It’s going to take more than one encyclical to do it.
 
I’m also not completely understanding why we are comparing theology vs canon law. They are not the same thing. Frankly it makes me sad. The Latin Church is so big and pervasive that the vast majority of it’s members, at least from the evidence on these forums, are so ignorant of Church history. There were always different schools of theology with different emphases. The Church was never as Rome centric as it is today. You had an seemingly endless stream of arguments between various bishops over countless issues including popes being called to task. You have long periods of time where various patriarchs would strike other patriarchs from the diptychs thereby breaking communion. That doesn’t exclude the pope either by the way. He was struck from the diptychs on a number of occasions too. Could you imagine that happening today?! 🙂

My point in saying this is not to beat up on Latin Catholics. It’s an innocent ignorance. It’s not their fault. But if the Eastern Catholic Churches are ever to assume their place as true sister Churches of the Latin Church there is going to have to be an effort on the part of Latin bishops and catechist to educate their faithful. It’s going to take more than one encyclical to do it.
Forgive my ignorance that is why I asked the question for clarity. As a Latin Catholic, that I just recently came to know that I am, I used to use term Roman…I also did not knowthat Eastern Catholics were in communion with Rome.

Again when one tries to learn, especially on forums such as this, and questionsd are raised, you are either immediately received as being critical. So the responses are usually dripping with disdain or of a I know it all I cant believe you are so ignorant mentality, and the rare response such as yours where one explains a little and asks questions back to try and understand what the OP is asking.

i.e. Until recently I thought Eastern Catholic was another name EO used.

When I found out differently and made mention I would love to attend Byzantine DL but none avail in my area, I was told I could simply find an EO DL because they were one and same.

i.e. I was also told in one forum EO and EC only difference is one is in communion with Rome.

So I started asking if EC believed and had to adhere to same Laws and Dogmas? I was told yes because they are Catholic. But they do not have to interpret them the same as Latins. Hence my original question on this thread.
 
As a Latin Catholic, that I just recently came to know that I am, I used to use term Roman…
Well fwiw, the vast majority of LCs are Roman-Rite Catholics … Sometimes shortened to Roman Catholic. So you weren’t really wrong. 🙂
 
Again when one tries to learn, especially on forums such as this, and questionsd are raised, you are either immediately received as being critical. So the responses are usually dripping with disdain or of a I know it all I cant believe you are so ignorant mentality, and the rare response such as yours where one explains a little and asks questions back to try and understand what the OP is asking.
I hear you, friend. Unfortunately, when posting it is all too easy for us (any of us I suppose) to react against our own past bad web-experiences and think something like “Oh great, this again” when it’s really more a case of “Here’s a newcomer who will probably be on our side if we steer him/her away from bad influences/ misinformation” (or whatever). :cool:
 
Forgive my ignorance that is why I asked the question for clarity. As a Latin Catholic, that I just recently came to know that I am, I used to use term Roman…I also did not knowthat Eastern Catholics were in communion with Rome.

Again when one tries to learn, especially on forums such as this, and questionsd are raised, you are either immediately received as being critical. So the responses are usually dripping with disdain or of a I know it all I cant believe you are so ignorant mentality, and the rare response such as yours where one explains a little and asks questions back to try and understand what the OP is asking.

i.e. Until recently I thought Eastern Catholic was another name EO used.

When I found out differently and made mention I would love to attend Byzantine DL but none avail in my area, I was told I could simply find an EO DL because they were one and same.

i.e. I was also told in one forum EO and EC only difference is one is in communion with Rome.

So I started asking if EC believed and had to adhere to same Laws and Dogmas? I was told yes because they are Catholic. But they do not have to interpret them the same as Latins. Hence my original question on this thread.
There is nothing to forgive. Also note I was mostly responding generally to something Peter said. It wasn’t all directed toward you. You are not part of the problem because you are here learning which is wonderful. How many Catholics are on Catholic Answers during the course of a month? How many visit and post on the Eastern Catholic sub-forum? You see my point?
 
Which takes precedence, Canon Law or Eastern Theology? i.e. Indulgences, Purgatory. Does this theology vary from one Eastern Church to another? i.e. Byzantine, Maronite.

I ask this with the utmost sincerity…but I can’t help but get lost in trying to understand said beliefs by a certain group of people when you read remarks like,

EC have to follow the same Laws we’re both Catholic

Then another will say they just have a different perspective on Theology.

Instead of bringing clarity this only brings more confusion…because isn’t a different the reason we have a plethora of faith choices?
ECs have their own laws.
 
I’m also not completely understanding why we are comparing theology vs canon law. They are not the same thing. Frankly it makes me sad. The Latin Church is so big and pervasive that the vast majority of it’s members, at least from the evidence on these forums, are so ignorant of Church history.
That’s not unique to Latin Christians. I deal regularly with Orthodox, particularly Russian Orthodox, and haven’t found a vast repository of Church history, even among clergy.

In the United States, parochial Catholic schools traditionally have taught on three phases of Church history: the early Church and its founding by Our Lord, the abbreviated Catholic version of the schism in 1054, and the abbreviated Catholic take on the so-called Reformation. Going beyond those is probably restricted to people who do post-secondary education in history and theology.
There were always different schools of theology with different emphases. The Church was never as Rome centric as it is today. You had an seemingly endless stream of arguments between various bishops over countless issues including popes being called to task. You have long periods of time where various patriarchs would strike other patriarchs from the diptychs thereby breaking communion. That doesn’t exclude the pope either by the way. He was struck from the diptychs on a number of occasions too. Could you imagine that happening today?!
I don’t think anyone in the Catholic Church except for a few academics and folks in the Eastern rites even know what a diptych is.

The reason why the Church was not as “Rome centric” historically was that communication between the Holy Father and the bishops took months, sometimes years, to accomplish. As a result individual bishops were given a large amount of latitude and jurisdiction. Among the results of this were a series of schisms of various sizes, the rise of some particularly pervasive heresies, including Arianism, Monophysitism, Nestorianism, and so on.

Popes are still “called to task”. Take a look at the Society of Pius X for an example. That has nothing at all to do with the Holy Father’s Petrine role.
My point in saying this is not to beat up on Latin Catholics. It’s an innocent ignorance. It’s not their fault. But if the Eastern Catholic Churches are ever to assume their place as true sister Churches of the Latin Church there is going to have to be an effort on the part of Latin bishops and catechist to educate their faithful. It’s going to take more than one encyclical to do it.
In most places in the Church the Eastern rite presence is limited, and therefore the greatest need for catechesis remains educating the faithful on matters of faith and morals, followed by - for an example in the United States - catechesis on the churches of the Reformation.

In this country, the USA, the largest problems have been with the bishops themselves and their insistence that Eastern rites comport with Latin rite disciplines and rubrics. This problem seems to be largely resolved, at least officially, and going forward we can hope that the worst is behind us.

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