Canon of Sacred Scripture

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It is a fraud and no serious scholar takes this list seriously:
Interesting, since it is the exact New Testament Canon that you still use today, how is it that no one takes it seriously?

But you are missing the point. The Gelasian decree has no impact on the issue at hand. The Canon that we have was revealed through The Catholic Church. Whether it was in the third, fourth or fifth century is not the relevant issue, it was still The Catholic Church which was guided by The Holy Spirit.
 
Interesting, since it is the exact New Testament Canon that you still use today, how is it that no one takes it seriously?

But you are missing the point. The Gelasian decree has no impact on the issue at hand. The Canon that we have was revealed through The Catholic Church. Whether it was in the third, fourth or fifth century is not the relevant issue, it was still The Catholic Church which was guided by The Holy Spirit.
I do believe that God did indeed use people with incorrect doctrine to copy his word. Now the doctrine of the early church, unless one selectively omits the vast majority of the Ante Nicene Fathers, that claim is just…selective.
I hope people will read it themselves and discover the truth. A passage here from Clement. Then one or two from Irenaues (inventor of Apostolic Succession based upon a false claim that Paul and Peter started the church at Rome) and all of a sudden they realize they swam the wrong river. Should have stayed dry.
But one thing we know from scripture is that the vast majority will chose the wrong path. I pray the choices they make do not detract from what is essential.
 
The Gelasian decree has no impact on the issue at hand. The Canon that we have was revealed through The Catholic Church. Whether it was in the third, fourth or fifth century is not the relevant issue, it was still The Catholic Church which was guided by The Holy Spirit.
One fraud, which the list was, built upon another incorrect claim, well then you get a group removed from the truth of the Bible in some cases. I think it is germaine. What else was a fraud? What other documents were forged? Why is it when we uncover ancient documents like the “Key of Truth”…you know the one that proved that Paulicians were not Gnostic or Dualists but in fact resembled us more than you guys…it never gets covered around here.
We have had the Didache for quite awhile after they dug it up too. What did we find out…oh nothing…except the earliest copy of instructions on the Lords Supper…you know…the one all churches probably followed…does not have a word about the Eucharist changing into anything.
 
Interesting, since it is the exact New Testament Canon that you still use today, how is it that no one takes it seriously?

But you are missing the point. The Gelasian decree has no impact on the issue at hand. The Canon that we have was revealed through The Catholic Church. Whether it was in the third, fourth or fifth century is not the relevant issue, it was still The Catholic Church which was guided by The Holy Spirit.
Here’s some more good stuff. I already showed the authentic Canon from Catholic sources as well as the admission from Bruce, whom RD has used as his authority. But also, the Gelasian decree does not debunk Damasus’ decree as he asserts. Here is the pertinent excerpt from Jurgens’ Faith of the Early Fathers: Volume 1, page 404:

*The first part of this decree has long been known as the Decree of Damasus, and concerns the Holy Spirit and the seven-fold gifts. The second part of the decree is more familiarly known as the opening part of the Gelasian Decree, in regard to the canon of Scripture: De libris recipiendis vel non recipiendis. It is now commonly held that the part of the Gelasian Decree dealing with the accepted canon of Scripture is an authentic work of the Council of Rome of 382 A.D. and that Gelasius edited it again at the end of the fifth century, adding to it the catalog of the rejected books, the apocrypha. It is now almost universally accepted that these parts one and two of the Decree of Damasus are authentic parts of the Acts of the Council of Rome of 382 A.D.*The assertion from Wiki that this decree of Damasus is a fraud is cross-referenced to an article which in turn cites a Ernst von Dobschutz. The reason he says the decree of Damasus is false is because within it is a quotation from Augustine from 416. He does not provide the quote or the context, but he therefore concludes that the entire decree cannot be attributed to Damasus. Wiki’s, and in turn RD’s entire allegation, are based on von Dobschutz’ claim.

But as you can see from Jurgens, the document did indeed undergo an edit after Augustine would have made his quote available to the world. This edit would in no way discredit the prior portions that were the authentic parts of Damasus’ Decree.

In summary the timeline would go like this.
  • 382 - Pope Damasus makes his decree, lists the authentic canon (which would make sense in light of his order to Jerome to translate the canon)
  • 416 - Augustine makes his comments.
  • ca. 490 - Gelasius takes Damasus’ decree, and edits it, adding to it
Von Dobschutz speciously takes the edits by Gelasius to discredit what was originally Damasus’. Given Damasus’ concern with the canon, the repeat of his canon at Hippo and Carthage, what Jurgens wrote of his decree is by far the more plausible explanation. And this is probably why, as Jurgens stated, the almost universally accepted position is that Damasus authored the parts on the canon at the Council of Rome. :o
 
One fraud, which the list was, built upon another incorrect claim, well then you get a group removed from the truth of the Bible.
So you’re saying that the Church which compiled the Bible under inspiration of the Holy Spirit were removed from the Bible! I hope that isn’t your idea of being rightly divided, but that is certainly a novel way of looking at things. I really have got to hear how you explain this one!

Here’s a little more about that church: youtube.com/watch?v=hl-08atFqzc

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Grace and peace be with you.

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