Canon of Scripture for Eastern Catholics

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Which books are included in the Biblical Canon(s) of the Eastern Catholic Churches?
Have they been Latinised so as to conform to the Roman Canon or do they retain the canons of their traditional heritages?

For example:
Are the Prayer of Manasseh, 1st/3rd Esdras, 3rd Maccabees and Psalm 151 included in the Canon of the Ukrainian and Melkite Catholic Churches?
Does the Ethiopian Catholic Church’s Canon include the Book of Enoch?
Do the Catholic Churches of Syriac tradition continue to include only 22 books in the New Testament as the Peshitta does?
 
My church (Syro-Malabar Catholic Church) has exactly the same bible as the Latin Church: no more, no less.
 
Blind_Didymus said:
Which books are included in the Biblical Canon(s) of the Eastern Catholic Churches?
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The Canon in The East is the Same as Traditional Canons approved by the North African Councils of Hippo and Carthage in A.D. 393 and 397 respectively. Also, Athanasius of Alexandria gave a list of books “being canonized” (kanonizomena) in A.D. 367. Athanasius omitted the book of Esther.

I used North African Councils and Fathers, but there are many others of great antiquity.
 
Ignatius said:
The Canon in The East is the Same as Traditional Canons approved by the North African Councils of Hippo and Carthage in A.D. 393 and 397 respectively. Also, Athanasius of Alexandria gave a list of books “being canonized” (kanonizomena) in A.D. 367. Athanasius omitted the book of Esther.

I used North African Councils and Fathers, but there are many others of great antiquity.
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So are you saying that the Eastern Catholic Churches don’t include Esther in their Canons?
 
Blind_Didymus said:
Which books are included in the Biblical Canon(s) of the Eastern Catholic Churches?
Have they been Latinised so as to conform to the Roman Canon or do they retain the canons of their traditional heritages?

For example:
Are the Prayer of Manasseh, 1st/3rd Esdras, 3rd Maccabees and Psalm 151 included in the Canon of the Ukrainian and Melkite Catholic Churches?
Does the Ethiopian Catholic Church’s Canon include the Book of Enoch?
Do the Catholic Churches of Syriac tradition continue to include only 22 books in the New Testament as the Peshitta does?
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Please see here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=910755

This question has been asked about a half-dozen times in the last 6 months.
 
Blind_Didymus said:
Thank you. Based on what you said there, the answer is yes.
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No, the answer is no, the canons are not the result of ‘Latinizations’. The Canon in The East is the Same as Traditional Canons approved by the North African Councils of Hippo and Carthage in A.D. 393 and 397 respectively. These were established prior to the divisions between East and West so they cannot be ‘Latinizations’.

I used North African Councils and Fathers, but there are many others of great antiquity.
 
Ignatius said:
No, the answer is no, the canons are not the result of ‘Latinizations’. The Canon in The East is the Same as Traditional Canons approved by the North African Councils of Hippo and Carthage in A.D. 393 and 397 respectively. These were established prior to the divisions between East and West so they cannot be ‘Latinizations’.

I used North African Councils and Fathers, but there are many others of great antiquity.
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Yet the local Councils you mentioned were clearly not followed by all Churches, especially those of the Syriac traditions which regularly follow the Peshitta text for the NT which only contains 22 books. Based on what SyroMalankara said in the other thread, it seemed pretty clear that each of the Catholic sui juris Churches follows the same canon as their Orthodox or Assyrian equivalents. However you seem to be arguing that this is not the case but that they have been forbidden to recognise books which are not accepted by the Latin Church. So whose information is accurate?
 
Blind_Didymus said:
Ignatius;12416931:
No, the answer is no, the canons are not the result of ‘Latinizations’. The Canon in The East is the Same as Traditional Canons approved by the North African Councils of Hippo and Carthage in A.D. 393 and 397 respectively. These were established prior to the divisions between East and West so they cannot be ‘Latinizations’.
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Yet the local Councils you mentioned were clearly not followed by all Churches, especially those of the Syriac traditions which regularly follow the Peshitta text for the NT which only contains 22 books. Based on what SyroMalankara said in the other thread, it seemed pretty clear that each of the Catholic sui juris Churches follows the same canon as their Orthodox or Assyrian equivalents. However you seem to be arguing that this is not the case but that they have been forbidden to recognise books which are not accepted by the Latin Church. So whose information is accurate?
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I’m saying what I said in my post, To wit: These canons cannot be ‘Latinizations’ since they were established in Africa, not the West and many centuries prior to the divisions between East and West.
 
Yet weren’t Hippo and Carthage part of the Latin speaking western Roman Empire rather than the Greek speaking east? Thought they were always associated with the Patriarch of Rome rather than with the Patriarch of Alexandria.

See your point though in that these Councils were early enough that the Church was undivided. However that doesn’t mean that all local churches accepted the decissions of these Councils. Particularly in the case of the Syriac tradition, they always seem to have held the 22 books of the Peshitta.
 
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Yet weren’t Hippo and Carthage part of the Latin speaking western Roman Empire rather than the Greek speaking east? Thought they were always associated with the Patriarch of Rome rather than with the Patriarch of Alexandria.

See your point though in that these Councils were early enough that the Church was undivided. However that doesn’t mean that all local churches accepted the decissions of these Councils. Particularly in the case of the Syriac tradition, they always seem to have held the 22 books of the Peshitta.
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It was the diocese of Africa (Western Roman Empire) rather than the Diocese of Egypt (eastern Roman Empire).

There was a Cathegenian liturgy which had an influence on the ancient Latin liturgy. Carthage fell into the hands of the Arabs in 698 so it lost it’s former influence.

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Thank you Vico. Well done figuring out what I was getting at too 🙂

Would it please be alright to ask where you obtained that map please?
Are there others available which show diocese beyond the Roman Empire, e.g. in Persia, Armenia or Arabia?
 
Blind_Didymus said:
Thank you Vico. Well done figuring out what I was getting at too 🙂

Would it please be alright to ask where you obtained that map please?
Are there others available which show diocese beyond the Roman Empire, e.g. in Persia, Armenia or Arabia?
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Virtual Library: vlib.us/

Pick Medieval then The Latter Roman Empire under The Roman Empire and its Transformation. These are from Dr. Lynn H. Nelson Professor Emeritus, Medieval Histor, University of Kansas

You may be familiar with the political division that existed between Roman and the Persian Sassanid Empire. The Assyrian Church of the East was the Church there. The territory was later conquered by the Muslim Arabs in 644 A.D.

Interestingly: Pope John Paul II and Patriarch Mar Dinkha IV signed the “Common Christological Declaration” (CCD) in Rome on 11 November 1994, the Assyrian
Church of the East and the Catholic Church affirmed their unity in the faith of Jesus Christ despite past suspicions on both sides growing out of different interpretations of the Council of Ephesus. (431 A.D.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman–Persian_Wars#mediaviewer/File:Justinian_Byzanz.pngen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman%E2%80%93Persian_Wars#mediaviewer/File:Justinian_Byzanz.png
 
Wonderful thank you. I’ve heard the talks between Rome and the Assyrian Church of the East are back on again after a bit of a hiatus over the past few years also.
 
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