Canon Question

[SnakeMauler]

I just read stuff from this link: matt1618.freeyellow.com/deutero.html

Why did the apostles quote things like enoch or whatever that were simply apocrypha but did not quote deutrocanonical books or whatever? How does this effect canon?

-Snakemauler

 

[NotWorthy]

Obviously, it didn’t affect the Canon at all. There are 10 or so other “widely accepted” OT books that have no quotes in them in the NT.

 

[SnakeMauler]

Why exactly did Protestants leave out certain books, and how does this effect their perception of christianity/understanding of everything?

 

[diggerdomer]

Why exactly did Protestants leave out certain books, and how does this effect their perception of christianity/understanding of everything?

They left them out because they decided to revert to the Jewish canon of Scripture during the Reformation, which did not include the “deuterocanonical” books (as Catholics name them).

It need not affect their perception of Christianity, as there is a bit of diversity among Christians regarding what books are canonical regarding the “Old Testament.”

 

[Elizium23]

Protestants were especially keen to eliminate the Maccabees books, which support the practice of praying for the dead. Protestants do not believe in this.

Martin Luther was also interested in eliminating the book of Revelation, and the letter to James. He did not like James because it contravened his doctrine of sola fide. I wonder if they also wanted to eliminate John 6.

 

[diggerdomer]

Protestants were especially keen to eliminate the Maccabees books, which support the practice of praying for the dead. Protestants do not believe in this.

Martin Luther was also interested in eliminating the book of Revelation, and the letter to James. He did not like James because it contravened his doctrine of sola fide. I wonder if they also wanted to eliminate John 6.

I know plenty of Protestants who believe in and pray for the dead.

 

[NHInsider]

The deeper issue in the canon discussion has to do with the question of Authority. If we accept that the Church was exercising Jesus’ Authority in establishing the canon, then how can we reject her authority on such subjects as the Sacraments, Sunday worship, etc.? Luther et al began with the belief that the Church did not have authority, and worked backwards from there to determine what was “truly Christian.” Of course once you jettison Apostolic authority you are left figuring out for yourself what is right (relying on the guidance of the Holy Spirit). The widely divergent results would seem to indicate that this approach is fraught with risk.

 

[SnakeMauler]

So basically its ok to take out any of the books in the bible except for the Gospels because you’ll still be Christian?

 

[NHInsider]

So basically its ok to take out any of the books in the bible except for the Gospels because you’ll still be Christian?

Well no, present day Protestants don’t believe that. For the most part they believe that the Catholic Church added books to the Bible, not that Luther and Calvin took books out. They point to the fact that medieval Jews only accepted the shorter Old Testament canon and say “so that’s the real Old Testament,” not acknowleging (in most cases, not even knowing) that the Masoretic text they consider authoritative only dates to the 10th century, nor understanding that the move to shorten the canon was undertaken by second-century Jews who were trying to “purify” Judaism of what they perceived to be “Greek” influences - like Christianity!

 

[Ace_of_Spades]

I just read stuff from this link: matt1618.freeyellow.com/deutero.html

Why did the apostles quote things like enoch or whatever that were simply apocrypha but did not quote deutrocanonical books or whatever? How does this effect canon?

-Snakemauler

5 Myths about 7 Books by Mark Shea

**Myth 1 **
The deuterocanonical books are not found in the Hebrew Bible. They were added by the Catholic Church at the Council of Trent after Luther rejected it.

**Myth 2 **
Christ and the Apostles frequently quoted Old Testament Scripture as their authority, but they never quoted from the deuterocanonical books, nor did they even mention them. Clearly, if these books were part of Scripture, the Lord would have cited them.

**Myth 3 **
The deuterocanonical books contain historical, geographical, and moral errors, so they can’t be inspired Scripture.

Myth 4
The deuterocanonical books themselves deny that they are inspired Scripture.

**Myth 5 **
The early Church Fathers, such as St. Athanasius and St. Jerome (who translated the official Bible of the Catholic Church), rejected the deuterocanonical books as Scripture, and the Catholic Church added these books to the canon at the Council of Trent.

Please read the full article here:
catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0120.html