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I was asked an interesting question today. Unfortunately, I don’t know the answer. Therefore, I’m here to see if I can find out the answer.

A colleague of mine has a Latin Catholic father and a Church of England mother. He was baptised and confirmed in the Church of England. He wants to know if canonically he is a Latin Catholic because is deceased father was a Latin Catholic.
 
I was asked an interesting question today. Unfortunately, I don’t know the answer. Therefore, I’m here to see if I can find out the answer.

A colleague of mine has a Latin Catholic father and a Church of England mother. He was baptised and confirmed in the Church of England. He wants to know if canonically he is a Latin Catholic because is deceased father was a Latin Catholic.
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If he was baptised in the Trinitarian Formula, then he is Catholic and only needs to see a priest. He would need to be re-confirmed though.
 
I was asked an interesting question today. Unfortunately, I don’t know the answer. Therefore, I’m here to see if I can find out the answer.

A colleague of mine has a Latin Catholic father and a Church of England mother. He was baptised and confirmed in the Church of England. He wants to know if canonically he is a Latin Catholic because is deceased father was a Latin Catholic.
No. He is not a Catholic.

He was baptized into the Church of England. To become a Catholic he would make a profession of faith and receive the remaining sacraments of initiation (confirmation and eucharist). This is typically preceeded by formation and rites of RCIA.

Can. 11 Merely ecclesiastical laws bind those who have been baptized in the Catholic Church or received into it, possess the efficient use of reason, and, unless the law expressly provides otherwise, have completed seven years of age.

Can. 96 By baptism one is incorporated into the Church of Christ and is constituted a person in it with the duties and rights which are proper to Christians in keeping with their condition, insofar as they are in ecclesiastical communion and unless a legitimately issued sanction stands in the way.

Perhaps your friend is confused by the following canons, which he may have heard about and misunderstood:

Can. 111 §1. Through the reception of baptism, the child of parents who belong to the Latin Church is enrolled in it, or, if one or the other does not belong to it, both parents have chosen by mutual agreement to have the offspring baptized in the Latin Church. If there is no mutual agreement, however, the child is enrolled in the ritual Church to which the father belongs.

§2. Anyone to be baptized who has completed the fourteenth year of age can freely choose to be baptized in the Latin Church or in another ritual Church sui iuris; in that case, the person belongs to the Church which he or she has chosen.

Can. 112 §1. After the reception of baptism, the following are enrolled in another ritual Church sui iuris:

1/ a person who has obtained permission from the Apostolic See;

2/ a spouse who, at the time of or during marriage, has declared that he or she is transferring to the ritual Church sui iuris of the other spouse; when the marriage has ended, however, the person can freely return to the Latin Church;

3/ before the completion of the fourteenth year of age, the children of those mentioned in nn. 1 and 2 as well as, in a mixed marriage, the children of the Catholic party who has legitimately transferred to another ritual Church; on completion of their fourteenth year, however, they can return to the Latin Church.

§2. The practice, however prolonged, of receiving the sacraments according to the rite of another ritual Church sui iuris does not entail enrollment in that Church.

This is referring to a person who is baptized in one of the Rites of the Catholic Church, not a non-Catholic ecclesial community. It would pertain to parents who belong to separate Rites within the Catholic Church.

It does not apply in this situation since they baptized the child in the non-Catholic ecclesial community.
 
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If he was baptised in the Trinitarian Formula, then he is Catholic and only needs to see a priest.
He is not a canonically a Catholic. He was neither baptized into the Catholic Churc nor received into it, per Can 11.
 
The Catholic baptismal ceremony both imparts the graces of baptism AND receives the individual into the Church. The individual in question only received the former, and is thus validly baptized, but not a member of the Catholic Church.

Were he to convert/become Catholic, he would automatically be enrolled into the Latin Church, as baptized Protestants are considered Western rite Christians.*

*(As opposed to Orthodox Christians who are of eastern or oriental rites and would be enrolled into an Eastern Catholic Church upon conversion).
 
I was asked an interesting question today. Unfortunately, I don’t know the answer. Therefore, I’m here to see if I can find out the answer.

A colleague of mine has a Latin Catholic father and a Church of England mother. He was baptised and confirmed in the Church of England. He wants to know if canonically he is a Latin Catholic because is deceased father was a Latin Catholic.
Technically yes. If he enters the Catholic Church, he will belong to the Latin Rite, even if he is baptized through an Eastern Rite.
 
I was asked an interesting question today. Unfortunately, I don’t know the answer. Therefore, I’m here to see if I can find out the answer.

A colleague of mine has a Latin Catholic father and a Church of England mother. He was baptised and confirmed in the Church of England. He wants to know if canonically he is a Latin Catholic because is deceased father was a Latin Catholic.
Matthew,

Canonically, he’s not Latin Catholic because he’s not Catholic.

If a child (that is, an infant, or one who is completely under the care of parents, not an adult-child) is baptised in a non-Catholic community (in this case, Anglicanism) the child could potentially be considered Catholic if that’s the parents’ intent, and if they raise the child to be Catholic. So, for example, if the parents for some reason have an infant baptised by an Anglican minister, but they want that child to be a practicing Catholic, all they are required to do is bring him to church. When it comes time for First Communion, nothing more would be required. There is a rite to supply the missing blessings from the baptism, and that could be used, but it’s not required. Remember: this applies to infants, not adults)

If your friend was raised a Catholic from infancy, then he would be considered a Catholic. However, from what you write it doesn’t seem that way. For one thing, if he were, he would not likely be asking the question. Also, since he went through a simulated confirmation as an Anglican, that pretty much settles it–he’s not Catholic.

If he wants to become Catholic, he would have to do so in a formal rite of being received into the Church, First Holy Communion and Confirmation. Unless he was raised as a Catholic from infancy, he could not “claim” canonical status as a Catholic.
 
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If he was baptised in the Trinitarian Formula, then he is Catholic and only needs to see a priest. He would need to be re-confirmed though.
The Church doesn’t “re-confirm.” The Sacrament of Confirmation cannot be repeated. The Church Confirms–for the first and only time.
 
I think the question here is whether he would be under the Roman Rite bishop or the ordinary of Our Lady of Walsingham (the OP is in the United Kingdom).
 
I was asked an interesting question today. Unfortunately, I don’t know the answer. Therefore, I’m here to see if I can find out the answer.

A colleague of mine has a Latin Catholic father and a Church of England mother. He was baptised and confirmed in the Church of England. He wants to know if canonically he is a Latin Catholic because is deceased father was a Latin Catholic.
he is a member of the Church of England. If he wishes to become Catholic the normal route is RCIA and he will be received into the Church through a profession of faith and confirmation and receive first communion at the same celebration (preceded at some point by first confession). He will then be a Latin Rite Catholic. If he is wishes to be received into one of the Eastern Rites instead he will follow their procedure which I believe merely requires a request to enter that rite.
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If he was baptised in the Trinitarian Formula, then he is Catholic and only needs to see a priest. He would need to be re-confirmed though.
no he is not Catholic if he was not baptized Catholic, although he certainly is Christian. see my answer. He has never been confirmed, as an Anglican confirmation is not recognized as a valid sacrament since their bishops do not enjoy apostolic succession.
 
I think the question here is whether he would be under the Roman Rite bishop or the ordinary of Our Lady of Walsingham (the OP is in the United Kingdom).
Members of the Anglican Ordinate are member of Latin Church. The liturgy is slightly different, but this is a “use” (variation) of the Roman Rite, not a separate rite.
 
I think the question here is whether he would be under the Roman Rite bishop or the ordinary of Our Lady of Walsingham (the OP is in the United Kingdom).
The Odinariate does not apply to individuals converting to the Catholic Church, priests or laity. It applies to entire communities only, i.e. a parish and priest converting en mass.
 
The Odinariate does not apply to individuals converting to the Catholic Church, priests or laity. It applies to entire communities only, i.e. a parish and priest converting en mass.
Yes, if an individual Anglican wants to be received in to the Ordinariate if his or her parish isn’t joining he or she must go to a parish that is.
 
I’m not sure why my colleague asked this question. I didn’t go in to the why with him. I think he only goes to the CofE at Christmas and may be at Easter. I’m sure he’s no intent to become a Catholic.
 
I was asked an interesting question today. Unfortunately, I don’t know the answer. Therefore, I’m here to see if I can find out the answer.

A colleague of mine has a Latin Catholic father and a Church of England mother. He was baptised and confirmed in the Church of England. He wants to know if canonically he is a Latin Catholic because is deceased father was a Latin Catholic.
He is a baptised Anglican, not Catholic.
I was a baptised Methodist and had to go through the RCIA program before converting to the Catholic Faith. Your colleague would have to do the same.
 
The Odinariate does not apply to individuals converting to the Catholic Church, priests or laity. It applies to entire communities only, i.e. a parish and priest converting en mass.
Actually, it does apply to individuals. The only requirement is that the actually join the Ordinariate. There is no requirement that they have to come along with a larger group (parish or otherwise).

See the Complementary Norms

Article 5

§1. The lay faithful originally of the Anglican tradition who wish to belong to the Ordinariate, after having made their Profession of Faith and received the Sacraments of Initiation, with due regard for Canon 845, are to be entered in the apposite register of the Ordinariate. Those baptized previously as Catholics outside the Ordinariate are not ordinarily eligible for membership, unless they are members of a family belonging to the Ordinariate.

In fact, the norms make specific provision for those who join the Ordinariate where no parish (yet) exists.

§3. For the pastoral care of the faithful who live within the boundaries of a Diocese in which no personal parish has been erected, the Ordinary, having heard the opinion of the local Diocesan Bishop, can make provisions for quasi-parishes (cf. CIC, can. 516, §1).

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20091104_norme-anglicanorum-coetibus_en.html
 
I’m not sure why my colleague asked this question. I didn’t go in to the why with him. I think he only goes to the CofE at Christmas and may be at Easter. I’m sure he’s no intent to become a Catholic.
Maybe he’s asking because he would like to know if the Catholic Church considers him to be a Catholic already? In other words, is the Church saying “you’re Catholic whether you want to be or not…”
Just a guess here.
 
Actually, it does apply to individuals. The only requirement is that the actually join the Ordinariate. There is no requirement that they have to come along with a larger group (parish or otherwise).
I answered the question asked. The question was whether he would belong to the Ordinariate or the Latin Rite. The answer is Latin Rite.

He can ask to join the Ordinariate, but he enters the Church as a Latin Rite Catholic through RCIA and a profession of faith, not through the Ordinariate…

But thank you for adding the additional information.
 
He is not a canonically a Catholic. He was neither baptized into the Catholic Churc nor received into it, per Can 11.
I was referring to Canon 96, aren’t they technically part of the Catholic Church?

I’m confused.
 
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