Canonical Transfer UPDATED

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Did you send a letter to your Ukrainian Bishop first and then he contacts your local Roman Bishop? Is that how it works?
 
That is what I found out later. I originally sent it to the Roman Bishop first, I then over-nighted one to the Ukrainian Bishop once I realized my mistake. He recieved it last Tuesday and called me today with his support.
 
Oh i see. Congratulations to you and your transfer. I pray that you will be at home for many years in the Byzantine rite.

May the Lord grant you many years.

One last question just for clarification. Do you have to send it to your local Roman Bishop AND a letter to the Local Ukrainian Bishop? Or just one letter to your local Ukrainian Bishop and then he just contacts your local Bishop?

I hope my questions make sense. 😊
 
Just one to the local Ukrainian Bishop. If he supports it then he will petition the Roman Bishop.
 
For a Latin to transfer to an Eastern or Oriental Church, the only one you need to contact is the Eastern or Oriental bishop. He will handle everything else for you.

It is harder for an Eastern or Oriental to transfer to the Latin Church, which requries the involvement of both bishops. IIRC, this also requires papal approval, which the RC bishop will handle.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
The update is that I just got a call from the Ukrainian Bishop today saying he approved my request and is sending his approval to the Roman Bishop for approval as well. Prayers still please!
Glory to God! 😃 Great news. Thanks for updating us!
Just one to the local Ukrainian Bishop. If he supports it then he will petition the Roman Bishop.
That is all that’s needed.
I also wrote my Latin bishop, my own decision, because I just wanted to share some comments. He had a considerable history with the Holy Resurrection Monks when they were in so CA and with other ECC down there. I Cc’d my Latin bishop, and my Latin parish priest and ECC priest on my letter to the Archbishop my ECC parish is under. It was just a personal call on my part. I’d already spoken with my Latin parish priest about it because I’m a catechist in his parish. He was happy for me finding this home in the East, and happy I wanted to continue being a catechist in his Latin parish.
 
And a quick question for those in the know: Do Roman Bishops generally follow the lead of the EC Bishop, or will they ever refuse the approval given by the EC Bishop and make the person stay Roman? Thanks!
 
And a quick question for those in the know: Do Roman Bishops generally follow the lead of the EC Bishop, or will they ever refuse the approval given by the EC Bishop and make the person stay Roman? Thanks!
Since you are still technically part of his flock, he can overrule the Eastern Bishop if he wishes to.
 
And a quick question for those in the know: Do Roman Bishops generally follow the lead of the EC Bishop, or will they ever refuse the approval given by the EC Bishop and make the person stay Roman? Thanks!
Transfers have been refused by one or the other bishop, and even when both bishops are in agreement, by the Congregation for Oriental Churches.
 
Are these refusals common though?
Not sure about the statistics, but I think there was this one person who posted here and on byzcath.org that he was refused transfer. You can try digging up that thread although its been like a year or two ago.
 
I hope it’s not sinful to envy you for being Byzantine. I really wish my wife would join me in transferring, something I’ve wanted to do for about 24 years.
 
I hope it’s not sinful to envy you for being Byzantine. I really wish my wife would join me in transferring, something I’ve wanted to do for about 24 years.
Is a canonical transfer what makes one Byzantine, or is it the heart?
 
Is a canonical transfer what makes one Byzantine, or is it the heart?
Good point. I am truly Byzantine at heart, but my children and I are not disposed to all of the rights associated with being Byzantine. That is what I want’ as well from the experience. However said, for my wife’s conversion to Catholicism I am willing and obligated to stick with the Latin Rite, even though I feel drawn to Eastern Orthodox Christianity in communion with Rome.
 
Not sure about the statistics, but I think there was this one person who posted here and on byzcath.org that he was refused transfer. You can try digging up that thread although its been like a year or two ago.
Tried to find that thread but I couldn’t. Any keywords you could suggest to help me find it? Thanks!
 
Transfer Cases
  1. At Marriage (Wife to Husbands, Children to either, Latin husband to Wife’s)
  2. Revert (after a change) after Marriage or at Age 14 for Children
  3. East to West without overlapping jurisdictions *
  4. East to West with overlapping jurisdictions +
  5. West to East without overlapping jurisdictions *
  6. West to East with overlapping jurisdictions +
  7. East to East without overlapping jurisdictions *
  8. East to East with overlapping jurisdictions +
  • Congregation for Oriental Churches
  • Holy See gives consent where both bishops approve in writing (but note eastern to west or eastern to eastern has been denied even when bishops are in favor)
Sufficient reasons:
  • Unification of Church sui iuris in a family (mother, father).
  • Return to the Church sui iuris of one’s ancestors.
  • Spouse who wishes to transfer for peace and unity in the home.
  • Physical or moral impossibility by permanent circumstances to use one’s own Church sui iuris.
  • Domicile and or activity among those who are almost all of another Church sui iuris.
  • Entry into religious life under different Church sui iuris.
  • Incardination to serve different Church sui iuris.
Insufficient reasons:
  • Education, attending school or church or sacraments, in another Church, or ignorance of own Church sui iuris with good knowledge of other Church sui iuris.
  • Good for the soul (because all churches are good for the soul).
  • Defects in a Church (because all churches are have defects).
  • Peace of mind or conscience cannot be judged.
(Eastern)

CCEO Canon 32
  1. No one can validly transfer to another Church sui iuris without the consent of the Apostolic See.
  2. In the case of Christian faithful of an eparchy of a certain Church sui iuris who petition to transfer to another Church sui iuris which has its own eparchy in the same territory, this consent of the Apostolic See is presumed, provided that the eparchial bishops of both eparchies consent to the transfer in writing.
CCEO Canon 33
A wife is at liberty to transfer to the Church of the husband at the celebration of or during the marriage; when the marriage has ended, she can freely return to the original Church sui iuris.

(Latin)

Can. 112 §1 After the reception of baptism, the following become members of another autonomous ritual Church:
1° those who have obtained permission from the Apostolic See;
2° a spouse who, on entering marriage or during its course, has declared that he or she is transferring to the autonomous ritual
Church of the other spouse; on the dissolution of the marriage, however, that person may freely return to the latin Church;
3° the children of those mentioned in nn. 1 and 2 who have not completed their fourteenth year, and likewise in a mixed marriage the children of a catholic party who has lawfully transferred to another ritual Church; on completion of their fourteenth year, however, they may return to the latin Church.
§2 The practice, however long standing, of receiving the sacraments according to the rite of an autonomous ritual Church, does not bring with it membership of that Church.

Canon 112 (NCCCL, Beal, Coriden, Green)
“… because ascription to a ritual church is definitive, it belongs to the status of persons.”
“In effect, the canon distinguishes membership from liturgical practice. This means that change of ritual church membership occurs in one of the three ways provided for in paragraph one.”
 
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