Canonization for Women?

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I have a feminist/anti-catholic friend who says that women need to have more qualities to be met to be fit for canonization in the CC. I assume she is referring to virtues expressed by the person, and that maybe women need to have “feminine” qualities to meet this criteria.
Anyone care to shed light on this, or refute this?
 
Disregard my initial reply. I see your friend is talking about being canonization and not ordination, which is how I initially read your post (totally my fault, the word canonization is right there. :p)

In that case I have no idea what your friend means. There are canonized female saints - in fact there are lots of them.
 
There are lots of women who have been canonized.

No clue as to what your friend means. Sorry.
 
Kmon23 said:
I have a feminist/anti-catholic friend who says that women need to have more qualities to be met to be fit for canonization in the CC. I assume she is referring to virtues expressed by the person, and that maybe women need to have “feminine” qualities to meet this criteria.
Anyone care to shed light on this, or refute this?
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Did she define what “feminine” attributes mean?

St. Joan of Arc was a warrior and rode around in armor. She was still canonized.
 
There are, of course, no gender-based criteria or conditions for sainthood in the Catholic Church.

That said, I have seen some numbers-based arguments which purport to demonstrate a bias against women in general, and more specifically against other than the most virtuous of women. It seems as if your friend may have latched on to some of this “thinking”. This is based on the raw numbers, with a subjective analysis of the “lifestyle” characteristics of canonized women. The latter suggests an extreme bias toward canonization of only chaste ascetic women. However, by default to attribute that result to a discriminatory bias or a distinct set of gender-based criteria would be rather poor scholarship.
 
Ask her to provide some data or real facts. She can’t. It’s a silly premise.
Women have always be instrumental in the Church.
If she doesn’t believe you, ask her to read the lives of Catherine of Siena, Catherine of Avila, Blessed Teresa of Calcutta, Joan of Arc, St. Clare, etc.
 
Well, as far as I know, there are more female saints than male saints…but yet again, my education is somewhat lacking.
 
I’m not thread creator but I hope someone comes along to breath life into the traditionalist sub forum here with relevant topics to those who are traditionalist catholics.
 
Sarcelle said:
Did she define what “feminine” attributes mean?

St. Joan of Arc was a warrior and rode around in armor. She was still canonized.
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As I understand it she was not a exactly a warrior, she led the warriors.

God Bless
 
I am really starting to get worn with the whole “anti-Catholic” rhetoric. It just seems I have heard it multiple times, lately. Or, maybe it’s just me.

Perhaps the friend needs to focus on her own soul and not the souls of past or future female Saints.
 
I think person was speaking of ordination and or cannon law, and just was getting their terminology wrong. [along with other things.]
 
esieffe said:
I think person was speaking of ordination and or cannon law, and just was getting their terminology wrong. [along with other things.]
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Right. We Catholics definitely need to stop shooting cannons at women. 😉
I’m getting older now, and it’s harder for me to duck and run!
 
esieffe said:
I think person was speaking of ordination and or cannon law, and just was getting their terminology wrong. [along with other things.]
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It was definitely about canonization for sainthood (that was the topic discussion), not on women priests.
She said how certain criteria females have to meet for canonization are being more within line of female gender roles (such as being submissive, etc.) and says this can be seen from the fact that female saints have copy-paste personalities of being submissive soft women.
 
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It was definitely about canonization for sainthood (that was the topic discussion), not on women priests.
She said how certain criteria females have to meet for canonization are being more within line of female gender roles (such as being submissive, etc.) and says this can be seen from the fact that female saints have copy-paste personalities of being submissive soft women.
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Theresa of Avila was no pushover, neither was Catherine of Siena. There are many strong women saints. There’s a difference between not being aggressive, and being submissive. Our Lady was quiet, and never made a fuss over anything, but she is likely the strongest woman to ever live.
Some people just want to believe the worst of the church in every scenario. Nothing new. tell her that stuff just gets old, and you’re not interesting in a dialog where one of the persons has no idea what they are talking about.
 
Kmon23 said:
It was definitely about canonization for sainthood (that was the topic discussion), not on women priests.
She said how certain criteria females have to meet for canonization are being more within line of female gender roles (such as being submissive, etc.) and says this can be seen from the fact that female saints have copy-paste personalities of being submissive soft women.
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Well, many of the Saints were products of the time they lived in when it came to traditional gender roles in Western civilization. More modern-era saints tended to break out of that mold. St Gianna Molla was a medical doctor in a time where most women would have been a nurse. There are also several female saints who were Abbesses and governed double monasteries (male and female religious) in the early middle ages.

I’d like to see this list of certain criteria she speaks of…ask her for it. It’s doubtful it’s legitimate and from the Vatican.
 
😉
pianistclare said:
Right. We Catholics definitely need to stop shooting cannons at women. 😉
I’m getting older now, and it’s harder for me to duck and run!
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You just made me laugh for the first time in a month! Thank you so much! That was just plain silly, but I’m still smiling. : )
 
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