Canonizing a Saint

[Faith1960]

This topic is related to my thread titled Miracles but I wanted to start a new one. I’m curious about the saints who are said to have reattached a body part through a
Miracle. I had a brief correspondence with a blogger, a man who Saudi hrs going into the priesthood. He was vey helpful to me but now I’ve run across people online who are accusing him of being a stalker and nut so I won’t be talking to him anymore.

On his blog He listed four saints and one non saint who reattached body parts by a miracle , including St Anthony of Padua. I asked if, since this was from so long ago if hey were legends or fact. He told me that ALL people and events (miracles) surrounding those who are up for sainthood are are thoroughly researched and studied from Day 1 of he first saint on. Is his true and does it include the very first Catholic saint?

 

[Faith1960]

This topic is related to my thread titled Miracles but I wanted to start a new one. I’m curious about the saints who are said to have reattached a body part through a
Miracle. I had a brief correspondence with a blogger, a man who Saudi hrs going into the priesthood. He was vey helpful to me but now I’ve run across people online who are accusing him of being a stalker and nut so I won’t be talking to him anymore.

On his blog He listed four saints and one non saint who reattached body parts by a miracle , including St Anthony of Padua. I asked if, since this was from so long ago if hey were legends or fact. He told me that ALL people and events (miracles) surrounding those who are up for sainthood are are thoroughly researched and studied from Day 1 of he first saint on. Is his true and does it include the very first Catholic saint?

Anyone?

 

[Incomplete]

I have heard that this is not true for the early saints. Here’s an article that gives a very brief history of how saints have been canonized:

catholicapologetics.org/ap070400.htm

This adds a bit more:

netplaces.com/saints/the-making-of-a-saint/the-roman-catholic-canonization-process.htm

 

[Faith1960]

Can anyone tell me if:

1. These saints, St. Francis of Padua, St. Attalus, St. Augustine of Hippo and a non-saint, Miguel Juan Pellecier in Spain met the strict criteria we now have for canonizing a saint and their miracles or if they were canonized before the Church started researching this well?
2. I don’t know if this is allowed on CAF but I’m going to link you all to this particular blog. If it’s against CAF rules, this particular post can be deleted, apologies aheaad of time.
   Is this blogger and the information his site trustworthy?

sacerdotus.com/2013/01/why-wont-god-heal-amputees.html

 

[Faith1960]

I have heard that this is not true for the early saints. Here’s an article that gives a very brief history of how saints have been canonized:

catholicapologetics.org/ap070400.htm

This adds a bit more:

netplaces.com/saints/the-making-of-a-saint/the-roman-catholic-canonization-process.htm

1. Are there any Church documented cases, documented after the canonization process had been put in place, where saints hav restored body parts?
2. Other than the restored ear, did Jesus restore any body parts? I’ve read that it’s believed that when Jesus made lepers “whole” this means he healed those lepers who had body parts missing from their illness. True or false?

 

[Incomplete]

You can probably google those things as well as the rest of us, but the question is, does it matter? The whole “God doesn’t cure amputees” thing is just a way for people to say that miracles really don’t happen, that God probably does not exist.

If we had records of amputees healing (and I’m not saying we don’t, I don’t actually know), those who don’t believe in God would say things like, “Just because we don’t know how it happened doesn’t mean it’s a miracle from God.” Or they would find something else that we haven’t got documented healings for (considering the myriad of illness, there are certainly others) and say, “Then why doesn’t God cure THIS?”

Or they would say this, which I quoted from another CAF thread discussing the same thing: “So, accepting for the moment that this actually happened, why does the Blessed Virgin not do it more often? Why leave all the other amputees unhealed?”

Having said that, this thread seems to answer one of your questions, and you’ll probably find it interesting.

Here’s the link: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=702033&highlight=amputees

 

[Faith1960]

You can probably google those things as well as the rest of us, but the question is, does it matter? The whole “God doesn’t cure amputees” thing is just a way for people to say that miracles really don’t happen, that God probably does not exist.

If we had records of amputees healing (and I’m not saying we don’t, I don’t actually know), those who don’t believe in God would say things like, “Just because we don’t know how it happened doesn’t mean it’s a miracle from God.” Or they would find something else that we haven’t got documented healings for (considering the myriad of illness, there are certainly others) and say, “Then why doesn’t God cure THIS?”

Or they would say this, which I quoted from another CAF thread discussing the same thing: “So, accepting for the moment that this actually happened, why does the Blessed Virgin not do it more often? Why leave all the other amputees unhealed?”

Having said that, this thread seems to answer one of your questions, and you’ll probably find it interesting.

Here’s the link: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=702033&highlight=amputees

Thanks, but for the past week I’ve been driving myself insane googling, trying to find someone, saints or otherwise whose miracles restored body parts.
The link you provided was helpful the first time I’d read about it on here, but upon further reading this miracle is questionable at best.
From what I’d read, they say that he didn’t really have a leg amputated but was performing a hoax by tying his leg up, bent at the knee. Supposedly the place the amputated leg was supposed to have been buried was found empty.

 

[Incomplete]

Thanks, but for the past week I’ve been driving myself insane googling, trying to find someone, saints or otherwise whose miracles restored body parts.
The link you provided was helpful the first time I’d read about it on here, but upon further reading this miracle is questionable at best.
From what I’d read, they say that he didn’t really have a leg amputated but was performing a hoax by tying his leg up, bent at the knee. Supposedly the place the amputated leg was supposed to have been buried was found empty.

In the end, it doesn’t really matter. Atheists will use the lack of documentation of healing an amputee as evidence that God likely doesn’t exist, when it seems to me that it isn’t evidence at all. It’s really not a debate worth getting into, in my humble opinion. I imagine that might be why nobody else is getting involved here.

 

[Faith1960]

In the end, it doesn’t really matter. Atheists will use the lack of documentation of healing an amputee as evidence that God likely doesn’t exist, when it seems to me that it isn’t evidence at all. It’s really not a debate worth getting into, in my humble opinion. I imagine that might be why nobody else is getting involved here.

Well, it may be a worthless cause but I hope someone can help me. I thought that blogger was helpful but maybe I was wrong about his credibility.

 

[Incomplete]

Well, it may be a worthless cause but I hope someone can help me. I thought that blogger was helpful but maybe I was wrong about his credibility.

Did you ask the blogger for documentation for his claims? If he can tell you where he got the information. that should help.

 

[Faith1960]

Did you ask the blogger for documentation for his claims? If he can tell you where he got the information. that should help.

No but he did suggest I look at the Congregation for the Causes of Saints and linked me to a Lourdes site. The Congregation for the Causes of Saints is mainly written in French and Spanish, which I don’t speak, and the entire site is even more confusing than my original question.

 

[jmeyer3131]

That sounds like way too much documentation for you to find specific things! Maybe try contacting him again and asking where he found the specifics he claims?

 

[Faith1960]

1. Are there any Church documented cases, documented after the canonization process had been put in place, where saints hav restored body parts?
2. Other than the restored ear, did Jesus restore any body parts? I’ve read that it’s believed that when Jesus made lepers “whole” this means he healed those lepers who had body parts missing from their illness. True or false?

Last night I read that lepers losing body parts from their disease is a myth, but today I read that they did lose fingers and toes (maybe other skin too?) from the rats eating them in their sleep. Leprosy robs them of feeling and they couldn’t feel he injury.