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Nor do I really even know if this is the right place for my question. I’m going to need someone who knows alot about both Church History and Roman History.

Eusebius of Caesarea was a friend of the Roman Emperor Constantine, and the two first met at the Council of Nicea in 325. It also appears that Eusebius, although he signed his name to the Creed, sympathized with Arius, and may not have actually consented to the Creed in full. If I remember correctly, Eusebius was excommunicated briefly before being reinstated, but Arius was also briefly reinstated, only to labeled a heretic again.

Is Eusebius of Caesarea considered a heretic now?
 
I don’t know if Eusebios is a heretic or not, but notice we don’t call him St. ;).

I can double check the later councils to see if there is an official condemnation of him, but I have a feeling he was never officially condemned as a heretic.
 
I don’t think that Eusebius was ever called a heretic. He isn’t a Saint in either the Eastern or Western Traditions. I think he is, more than anything now, quoted as a Church Historian. (?)
 
Eusubius of Caesarea agreed with Alexander of Alexandria. He just thought the condemnation of Arius as a heretic was unfair. In other words, he agreed with the Council of Nicea, but he, more or less, didn’t think labeling Arius a heretic was the proper course of action.

There was another Eusubius, however, Eusubius of Nicodemia, and he more or less campaigned for Arius. He later formed the Eusubians, which were an anti-nicean political movement. I just know the basic overview of them, however, so I may not be completely correct regarding the Eusubians.

The previous poster is correct, however. The creed we say today was truly formed at Constantinople in 381.

This is the original Nicene Creed: “We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of all things, visible and invisible, And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten from the Father, only-begotten, that is, from the substance (ousia) of the Father, God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten not made, one-in-being (homoousios) with the Father, through Whom all things came into being, things in heaven and things on earth. Who because of us human beings and because of our salvation came down and became incarnate, becoming man, suffered and rose again on the third day, ascended to the heavens, and will come to judge the living and the dead; And in the Holy Spirit. But as for those who say, “There was a ‘when’ when He was not,” and, “Before being born He was not,” and that “He came into existence out of nothing,” or who assert that the Son of God is of a different hypostasis or substance (ousia), or is subject to alteration or change—these the catholic and apostolic Church anathematizes.”
 
I think it’s both. AFAIK, the actual text from Nicea (and, IIRC, from Constantinople as well) uses the 1st person plural (“We”) whereas the Greek liturgical versions use the singular (“I”). FWIW, the Syriac liturgical version has always maintained the plural (“We”).
 
malphono said:
I think it’s both. AFAIK, the actual text from Nicea (and, IIRC, from Constantinople as well) uses the 1st person plural (“We”) whereas the Greek liturgical versions use the singular (“I”). FWIW, the Syriac liturgical version has always maintained the plural (“We”).
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Thanks!
 
malphono said:
I think it’s both. AFAIK, the actual text from Nicea (and, IIRC, from Constantinople as well) uses the 1st person plural (“We”) whereas the Greek liturgical versions use the singular (“I”). FWIW, the Syriac liturgical version has always maintained the plural (“We”).
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Interesting, since the Latin, like the Greek, uses the singular (Credo…) I wonder why there are minor differences.
 
Formosus said:
I don’t know if Eusebios is a heretic or not, but notice we don’t call him St. ;).

I can double check the later councils to see if there is an official condemnation of him, but I have a feeling he was never officially condemned as a heretic.
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why is this important information? what is it for us and our walk with Jesus what decisions where made in the early church as far as making a church statement on calling someone a “heretic”? or “condemning” a person? are you interested in this to make judgement on a person you never met or knew in your lifetime, or is it so you can justify condemning someone today? i dont understand why people get so wrapped up in these terms. the catholic church has doctrine and rules and people to speak for it, so if you become a Saint would it even matter anymore if someone found laws and people to call you a heretic? yes because it hurts people who really do love God to be named and labeled by people while your trying to know God and have fellowship. so why continue the madness? its like we have a history of wars and rumors of them through out the whole world, does it make killling people alright becuase you could have a society that justifies it? or does it make it that much harder when society justifies it to do whats right and learn that for yourself? i feel very passionate about this subject as i am sure you people on this forum do. But i just dont think that loving Jesus and becoming like him as much as you can in your heart, accepting him has anything to do with condemnation. so then personally i wouldnt be lookin to justify or condemn earlier people’s reason for it and I would look for how to not have condemnation in my own heart rather than studying all the recorded information you can find that would be in judgement of people you never got to meet and you didnt know thier prayers to God in their darkest hours. who cares if this friend of constantine was a “heretic” or not. its not like your looking for reasons to pray for someone. so what is the motive? is it observing Jesus Christ and if your his friend or not? this is bull.
 
I don’t particularly care if he was a heretic or not. Someone asked a question and I gave an answer off the top of my head. I think you are taking this thread or question a little top seriously.
 
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