Can't sin in Heaven

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Just suddenly think of a question.
It is say that we don’t have desire or can’t sin in Heaven. Why? Doesn’t the souls in Heaven have free will too? Satan and the devils were once angels with free will in Heavens too.

Sincerely seeking for explanation.
 
True freedom is the ability to do what we ought to do. We seek happiness. Even someone who commits suicide does it in an attempt to find happiness. Once we exist in perfect happiness it is our ultimate destiny because our perfection is complete. We no longer seek happiness anywhere else. Isn’t that what causes sin? Choosing something because we think it will make us happier. Isn’t this what tempted Eve? If we no longer seek happiness we no longer become bad or good. During ourearthly lives it is impossible to not seek happiness. Perfect happiness is found only in heaven.
 
Eric_Peter said:
Just suddenly think of a question.
It is say that we don’t have desire or can’t sin in Heaven. Why? Doesn’t the souls in Heaven have free will too? Satan and the devils were once angels with free will in Heavens too.

Sincerely seeking for explanation.
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You do indeed have a free will in Heaven. But once you havr experienced GOD’s enfolding embrace, your being will be so fulfilled that you will be unable to want anything less.

It’s not productive, IMNAAHO, to conjecture too much about the free will of satan and other spirits, because their understanding and ours are completely different. They are spirits; we are human beings. However, one factor that may make sense is that they live in eternity; and eternity allows only one choice. We are time beings; and time allows for changes of mind (although Death will place us in eternity, and our choice will then be final).

Probably part of the “reason” for the human life we know, is so that we will have experiences that will lead us to desire the fulfillment in Him, the only true fulfillment of human being.

ICXC NIKA.
 
GEddie said:
Probably part of the “reason” for the human life we know, is so that we will have experiences that will lead us to desire the fulfillment in Him, the only true fulfillment of human being.

ICXC NIKA.
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Indeed.
Satan never experienced our mortal lives with all their joy, agony, temptations, and our redemption through the Blood of the cross.
It would seem to me that this earthly experience and salvation through Christ, culminating in our entry into heaven, would wipe out all selfish desires.
We were made human for a very good reason.
I guess God’s pretty smart.
 
Eric_Peter said:
Just suddenly think of a question.
It is say that we don’t have desire or can’t sin in Heaven. Why? Doesn’t the souls in Heaven have free will too? Satan and the devils were once angels with free will in Heavens too.

Sincerely seeking for explanation.
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That’s kind of a funny question to me, because I’m not aware of any public revelation about activities in heaven that are not directed to the worship of God. Read about the 9 levels of prayer and you’ll conclude that souls who have reached the transforming union even on earth are simply not interested in doing their own will. We can’t even imagine how those who experience the beatific vision behave. Though there are many mansions in heaven, which I understand as levels of holiness, sooner or later we all must unify our wills to God’s will if we wish to enter into that eternal happiness. To believe that doing one’s own thing can somehow bring more hapinness is to listen to the original lie of Satan. Let go and let God.
 
Eric_Peter said:
Just suddenly think of a question.
It is say that we don’t have desire or can’t sin in Heaven. Why? Doesn’t the souls in Heaven have free will too? Satan and the devils were once angels with free will in Heavens too.

Sincerely seeking for explanation.
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The will is so overpowered by seeing God as He is, that it is not possible for the will to choose a lesser good than God once it has seen Him. Because of this, we cannot sin in Heaven. Souls in Heaven do not have free will in the same sense that we do now. The Beatific Vision does necessitate the will, so that in one sense it is not free. On the otherhand, the will freely chose to submit itself in such a manner, so it is certainly not a slave. Once our souls leave our bodies, are wills become irrevocable (like the angels).

Satan was never in heaven in the sense of the Beatific Vision. Satan never beheld God in His essence, if he had, it would have been impossible for Him to sin. God has to initially hide or veil Himself so that creatures can truly be free to accept Him. If a creature were to see God in the Beatific Vision from the first moment of its creation, it could not be said to be truly free. I hope that clarifies a few things.
 
Katholish said:
Satan was never in heaven in the sense of the Beatific Vision. Satan never beheld God in His essence, if he had, it would have been impossible for Him to sin. God has to initially hide or veil Himself so that creatures can truly be free to accept Him.
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I agree. Many people are under the assumption that Lucifer was in His direct presence yet sinned till they start questioning this logic with ‘Saved’ after all is said and done.
 
Eric_Peter said:
Just suddenly think of a question.
It is say that we don’t have desire or can’t sin in Heaven. Why? Doesn’t the souls in Heaven have free will too? Satan and the devils were once angels with free will in Heavens too.

Sincerely seeking for explanation.
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Angels do have free will. Humans also have free will. But when your soul enters heaven, you will leave all desire for sin behind you.
 
Eric_Peter said:
Just suddenly think of a question.
It is say that we don’t have desire or can’t sin in Heaven. Why? Doesn’t the souls in Heaven have free will too? Satan and the devils were once angels with free will in Heavens too.

Sincerely seeking for explanation.
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The Saints are of necessity impeccable. They can sin no more. To sin would be to prefer some created good above God, and this is utterly impossible to them. They, the Saints, actually see AND possess the Sovereign Good itself. Their will clings to him as a magnet to iron. Once in heaven they leave all sin and all consequence of sin behind; their wills are confirmed in glory; every act, word, and deed must be holy, and holy with absolute ease and spontaneity.
 
Eric_Peter said:
Just suddenly think of a question.
It is say that we don’t have desire or can’t sin in Heaven. Why? Doesn’t the souls in Heaven have free will too? Satan and the devils were once angels with free will in Heavens too.Sincerely seeking for explanation.
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Yes, we retain our free will in Heaven, so the question really is would we ever have the desire to exercise that free will for sin?

If we enter Heaven in the same state as we are in life, the answer could be yes, since even the best of us fight the temptation to sin from time to time. We enter Heaven, however in a “purified” form, free not only from sin but from even the desire to entertain the idea of sin not because we fear God but because we love God so much that we desire (free will here) never to betray that love with sin.

For the best of us, this perfect aligning of our minds to the will and love of God is cultivated while on Earth, allowing us to move directly to Heaven when we die. For the rest of us, we bring our temptations and imperfections to the judgement seat and if we are judged worthy of eternal life we are cleansed and perfected in purgatory.
 
The saints in heaven have free will without the capacity to sin in the same way that God has freedom of will without the capacity to sin.
 
Eric_Peter said:
Just suddenly think of a question.
It is say that we don’t have desire or can’t sin in Heaven. Why? Doesn’t the souls in Heaven have free will too? Satan and the devils were once angels with free will in Heavens too.

Sincerely seeking for explanation.
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I believe that when you die you receive knowledge of the universe…knowledge of how things really are…and once you have this knowledge, you will never have the urge to sin again.
 
Eric_Peter said:
Just suddenly think of a question.
It is say that we don’t have desire or can’t sin in Heaven. Why? Doesn’t the souls in Heaven have free will too? Satan and the devils were once angels with free will in Heavens too.

Sincerely seeking for explanation.
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Nope, when we are in heaven we will not change our mind; we cannot sin, for we would already had decided that we will sin no more. We made that decision while we were on earth.

Let me try to explain. As Miss Zundrah has so beautifully noted above, both angels and human souls have free will. Now the thing is, as I remember, angels are what St Thomas Aquinas called intellectual creatures; that is, they already know all the consequences of any action they do, they do not need to learn from experience. Therefore, they have perfect wills: when they decide on something, it is permanent. That’s why Lucifer and his minions will never ever change their minds about their rebellion: they knew all the consequences of their sin from the very beginning.

Humans, on the other hand, are called rational beings; that is, we learn from experience. That is why our wills are imperfect; we may will for something, but we do not fully know the consequences of our actions until we experience them. And thus, we may change our minds later, depending on what we learn from experience.

When we die, however, we become “like angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30); that is, we become intellectual creatures, but our intellects would have been shaped by our stay on earth, illumined by God’s perfect justice. By then, our wills will be perfect. Therefore, like angels, we make that one choice after death: whether we go to Heaven (through Purgatory, if necessary), or to Hell. Along with God’s judgment, we will convict our own selves of damnation or salvation.
 
I believe we could … by why would we? After all, we are made in the image of God. The salvation plan is to restore that image. Why would Jesus sin? If we are made in His image, why would w sin? We love Him. Why would we crucify Him again and again?
 
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