Cantor: Latin hymns for Easter Vigil

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I’m a professionally trained lyric soprano presently serving at 5PM Mass in a parish. The music ministry in this parish is - well - lacking (to be charitable). I am singing the Easter Vigil Mass and would like to incorporate as much Latin (which I speak/sing) as possible.

Are there any suggestions anyone can offer? The Heritage Missal is used. Is it allowed to chant the Pater Noster and can I use other Latin hymns (entrance, offertory, communion, recessional)? Many of the congregation are older Catholics and appreciate my use of Latin. Would this be acceptable? I would have to, of course, discuss this with the pastor. Any suggestions welcome.
 
It is important to remember that musicians are there to lead and encourage congregational singing. If the congregation (and priest) have not been using Latin or are not familiar with the songs you are thinking of, then it would be much more helpful to introduce them over a period of time and not at the Easter Vigil Mass.
 
I’m a professionally trained lyric soprano presently serving at 5PM Mass in a parish. The music ministry in this parish is - well - lacking (to be charitable). I am singing the Easter Vigil Mass and would like to incorporate as much Latin (which I speak/sing) as possible.

Are there any suggestions anyone can offer? The Heritage Missal is used. Is it allowed to chant the Pater Noster and can I use other Latin hymns (entrance, offertory, communion, recessional)? Many of the congregation are older Catholics and appreciate my use of Latin. Would this be acceptable? I would have to, of course, discuss this with the pastor. Any suggestions welcome.
It’s important that you don’t spring things on the congregation so they aren’t able to participate in the mass. As far as I recall the Easter Vigil begins with the lighting of the fire and the Exsultet, and then a great number of psalms- there is no processional hymn. Finally Latin hymns are rare and were generally not sung at the Latin Mass. When hymns were permitted in low mass in the 1950s they were sung in the vernacular.
 
Try a Pater. Every Latin Catholic should know that in Latin.
 
I’m a professionally trained lyric soprano presently serving at 5PM Mass in a parish. The music ministry in this parish is - well - lacking (to be charitable). I am singing the Easter Vigil Mass and would like to incorporate as much Latin (which I speak/sing) as possible.

Are there any suggestions anyone can offer? The Heritage Missal is used. Is it allowed to chant the Pater Noster and can I use other Latin hymns (entrance, offertory, communion, recessional)? Many of the congregation are older Catholics and appreciate my use of Latin. Would this be acceptable? I would have to, of course, discuss this with the pastor. Any suggestions welcome.
For a Communion hymn, the a cappella O sacrum convivum by Remondi, which is equally exquisite as a solo.

youtube.com/watch?v=y9UXvbIDWOk

ameshymn.org/ht0106_.htm
 
I’m a professionally trained lyric soprano presently serving at 5PM Mass in a parish. The music ministry in this parish is - well - lacking (to be charitable). I am singing the Easter Vigil Mass and would like to incorporate as much Latin (which I speak/sing) as possible.

Are there any suggestions anyone can offer? The Heritage Missal is used. Is it allowed to chant the Pater Noster and can I use other Latin hymns (entrance, offertory, communion, recessional)? Many of the congregation are older Catholics and appreciate my use of Latin. Would this be acceptable? I would have to, of course, discuss this with the pastor. Any suggestions welcome.
There is no entrance hymn. The Easter Vigil begins with the Service of Light and then the Exsultet.

The Pater Noster is proper to the priest and people, not to the cantor or choir. If the pastor wants to chant the Pater Noster, you could certainly lead the congregation in singing with him, but the priest chooses whether to sing or recite that.

A great Easter hymn that is in Latin and well known is “O Filii et Filiae”, which might make a good offertory. There are any number of great Latin hymns for Communion - “Ave Verum”, “Panis Angelicus”, “Ecce Panis Angelorum”, etc.

I would shy away from a solo for the recessional. Either an organ anthem or something particular to the victory of Easter that the whole congregation can sing would be better.

You could always sing the traditional Alleluia with the verse in Latin. It is stunningly beautiful, and most Catholics know the Gloria from the Missa de Angelis even if they don’t know that they know it.
 
There is no entrance hymn. The Easter Vigil begins with the Service of Light and then the Exsultet.

The Pater Noster is proper to the priest and people, not to the cantor or choir. If the pastor wants to chant the Pater Noster, you could certainly lead the congregation in singing with him, but the priest chooses whether to sing or recite that.

A great Easter hymn that is in Latin and well known is “O Filii et Filiae”, which might make a good offertory. There are any number of great Latin hymns for Communion - “Ave Verum”, “Panis Angelicus”, “Ecce Panis Angelorum”, etc.

I would shy away from a solo for the recessional. Either an organ anthem or something particular to the victory of Easter that the whole congregation can sing would be better.

You could always sing the traditional Alleluia with the verse in Latin. It is stunningly beautiful, and most Catholics know the Gloria from the Missa de Angelis even if they don’t know that they know it.
There is no accompanist. I sing a Capella. Entrance and Recessional will be hymns in English. It’s the body of the Mass I’m interested in. Is the “Gloria” sung on the Easter Vigil??? Where do I find the traditional Allelulia with the verse in Latin and musical notation? Thank you.
 
There is no accompanist. I sing a Capella. Entrance and Recessional will be hymns in English. It’s the body of the Mass I’m interested in. Is the “Gloria” sung on the Easter Vigil??? Where do I find the traditional Allelulia with the verse in Latin and musical notation? Thank you.
Is the Gloria sung at the Easter Vigil?? Yes, of course. After not using it in Lent, it is sung with gusto and preceeded by joyful acclammations from the congregation and from the organ - this is the moment when the light has defeated darkness.

I still don’t see how you can have an entrance hymn as there is NO entrance hymn for the Easter Vigil.
 
There is no accompanist. I sing a Capella. Entrance and Recessional will be hymns in English. It’s the body of the Mass I’m interested in. Is the “Gloria” sung on the Easter Vigil??? Where do I find the traditional Allelulia with the verse in Latin and musical notation? Thank you.
The Gloria is one of the highlights of the Easter Vigil.

seas1.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/alleluia-confitemini_domino-easter-vigil.pdf

Note that the chant starts on E; it is to be sung six times - twice starting on E (cantor then congregation), twice starting on F (cantor then congregation), and twice starting on G (cantor then congregation). Then follows the Psalm verse or verses, then a seventh Alleluia, also starting on G.

A cappella at the Easter Vigil? 😦
 
Sounds to me like the poster is refering to the OF Mass.

On this particular forum it pays to specify which form of the Roman Rite you are dealing with.
 
I’m a professionally trained lyric soprano presently serving at 5PM Mass in a parish. The music ministry in this parish is - well - lacking (to be charitable). I am singing the Easter Vigil Mass and would like to incorporate as much Latin (which I speak/sing) as possible.
Do you have permission from your Priest and/or coordinator of music ministry at your Parish to do so?

IMO, Easter just isn’t the time to be singing hyms or speaking in a language the majority of us don’t know a word of.
 
Sounds to me like the poster is refering to the OF Mass.

On this particular forum it pays to specify which form of the Roman Rite you are dealing with.
The language of the Roman Rite is Latin, regardless of the form.
 
Do you have permission from your Priest and/or coordinator of music ministry at your Parish to do so?

IMO, Easter just isn’t the time to be singing hyms or speaking in a language the majority of us don’t know a word of.
If there is any time to dust off some of the gems of the Church’s musical patrimony, it would be the most solemn Mass of the year.
 
“false”, how?
catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=4041&CFID=735702&CFTOKEN=92136300

**Cardinal Ratzinger quickly dismisses two other specious demands of the “new” liturgists. Some, mistaking external busyness for “active participation,” would veto the use of the choir as intruding between the congregation and the liturgical action. But the choir is part of the community and its singing legitimately represents the prayer assembly. The concept of representation, of standing in for another, affects all levels of religious reality, including worship, and is a fundamental category of the Christian faith.

Another commonly heard “postconciliar” objection is a “fanaticism about vernacular,” even to the point of forbidding chant and hymns in Latin. The Cardinal wryly observes that, in a multicultural society, such an insistence on the vernacular has about as much logic to it as the demand for a hand-shaking, on-speaking-terms community does in an age of increased mobility. Harnoncourt notes that “The traditional, so-called ‘Latin Mass’ always had Aramaic (Amen, Alleluia, Hosanna, Maran atha) and Greek (Kyrie, Trisagion) parts, and the sermon was usually given in the vernacular. Real life is not acquainted with stylistic unity and perfection; on the contrary, where something is really alive, formal and stylistic variety will occur . . ., and the unity is an organic one” (140).**

Taking the time to actually read the authoritative documents of the Church that speak of sacred music will reveal that Cardinal Ratzinger was speaking the mind of the Church on this issue, not simply his own personal opinion.
 
First, I think the OP needs to consult with the priest who will be offering the Easter Vigil. Whether or not Latin is used is HIS call.

aemcpa, the territorial authority (bishop and priests) determines what type of music will or will not be used in his Masses–that is the teaching of the Church. A cantor or music minister or any layman can’t take it upon themselves to “do” the music. This isn’t a concert.

From her posts, it appears that the OP has never experienced an Easter Vigil Mass (e.g., not being sure if the Gloria is used). Since the OP is asking about using Latin hymns, I’m assuming that Latin is something “different” in the Masses in her parish, which means that the parish is probably having OF Masses.

So it seems to me that the OP should sit down with the priest and carefully study the “Order” of the Easter Vigil in the OF. This is a three-hour event, not just another Mass. It needs to be well-planned by those involved.

The priest is the pastor of the parish, and he knows what is best for his “sheep.” He may love the idea of including a Latin hymn. OR…he may prefer not to use Latin.

The Easter Vigil is a Mass in which many non-Catholics are present (to see their loved ones baptized and confirmed into the Church)–the priest may wish to keep everything in the vernacular for the sake of clarity.

I am a convert to Catholicism, and my husband and I were received into the Church during the Easter Vigil in 2004. I’ll be blunt–I would have been upset if a lot of Latin had been used in the Easter Vigil. I needed very badly to understand everything that was happening that evening–Latin would have been strange and confusing to me, and I very possibly would have backed out of the Mass because it would have frightened me. Please do not underestimate the tremendous emotions, positive and negative, that happen when an Evangelical Protestant converts to Catholicism. I don’t know that a cradle Catholic can truly understand this. Thankfully, the Church seems to understand it, and thankfully, the Church does encourage the use of vernacular in the Mass in spoken word and hymns.

As an ex-Evangelical Protestant, I (and my husband) found everything about the Catholic Church strange and different than what we were used to. We were in RCIA in a very contemporary parish, and that felt somewhat "comfortable to us, but the liturgy was still completely foreign. (We were attending Mass for two years before we entered RCIA, BTW.)

We were not interested in the practices of “ancient Catholicism”. (We still aren’t.) I know that on CAF, we hear from a lot of ex-Evangelical Protestants who LOVE ancient Catholicism and Latin and Gregorian chant and all the rest. But I honestly don’t think that’s the norm–many converts are drawn to the Catholic Church by the “modern” hymns and use of the vernacular.

Yes, Latin is the Official Language of the Church. And yes, Vatican II made it clear that Latin can be used in the OF Mass. But each bishop is given the authority, by the CHURCH, to determine how much Latin will be used in the Masses in his diocese. If the bishop allows/encourages the use of the vernacular in the Masses, then a parish priest is not wrong to have vernacular Masses. That’s according to Church teaching.

So OP, like I said, you need to work with your PRIEST on this, and not run ahead of him and make plans and decisions about the Mass music. He may very well be on board with the use of a Latin hymn. Or he may not. At any rate, it’s HIS decision, not yours.
 
Did anybody READ the original post?

“I would have to, of course, discuss this with the pastor.”

She is trying to get ideas for what she should bring TO the pastor.
 
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