Canvas Shoes in Church-Pastor or Bishop?

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RosalieM said:
In my parish, the monsignor always wears black sandals with black socks. An older priest always wears conservative black shoes that tie with shoestrings. The younger priest was wearing casual black leather shoes and recently, off-white leather shoes, then went back to black nondescript shoes. Why does this matter and why do we notice?
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I think someone has this foot thing… but I am not really sure.
 
Reepicheep said:
Um, why do you see it as a problem?

And just because the GIRM doesn’t mention an article of clothing does not mean it’s forbidden to wear it.
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Since bishops no longer wear buskins (AFAIK, they are no longer liturgical apparel), canvas shoes sound like rather a sensible replacement. They are light, & not noisy, so there is not much likelihood of hearing the clergy clatter around as they might in heavier footwear 🙂​

 
Oooh, I’ve an idea. How about banning all shoes that have been produced in an unethical fashion? So anything from a company that’s known to exploit workers, pay them an unfair wage, employ child workers or have people working in poor conditions would be banned for ALL the faithful.

Imagine the storm that would kick up (pun intended). 🙂

What would Jesus do???
 
Eddy said:
Oooh, I’ve an idea. How about banning all shoes that have been produced in an unethical fashion? So anything from a company that’s known to exploit workers, pay them an unfair wage, employ child workers or have people working in poor conditions would be banned for ALL the faithful.

Imagine the storm that would kick up (pun intended). 🙂

What would Jesus do???
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The GIRM doesn’t mandate jumping up and down during the Gloria, but it’s widely accepted that you don’t do that and infact, it would be wrong to do so.

The GIRM doesn’t mandate that we do “the wave” during the Eucharistic prayer, yet, I’ve never seen it done (yet :eek: ) and I’m pretty sure it would be wrong to do so.

Likewise the GIRM doesn’t mandate holding hands during the Our Father, therefore it would be wrong to do so.

The GIRM tells you what the Norms are for Mass, nowhere is hand holding during the Our Father mandated (or even mentioned). If you want to hold your family’s hands during the Our Father, that’s your PRIVATE devotion and can’t and shouldn’t be expected of everyone (unless the Vatican/Bishop’s decide they want to change the ruberics–so far they haven’t).

Jennifer
 
Holland said:
This is interesting stuff…So a documented public discussion is relevant and important to you because???
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Because I have only seen debate on clergy asking/telling the congregation to hold hands or how to be or how to deal with neighbors that don’t hold hands. But, I have never seen any extended discussion of whether it is improper to stop lay persons from holding hands only with other lay persons who want to do so on their own initiative and would be interested in seeing such if it is out there.
 
Jennifer_J said:
The GIRM doesn’t mandate jumping up and down during the Gloria, but it’s widely accepted that you don’t do that and infact, it would be wrong to do so.

The GIRM doesn’t mandate that we do “the wave” during the Eucharistic prayer, yet, I’ve never seen it done (yet :eek: ) and I’m pretty sure it would be wrong to do so.

Likewise the GIRM doesn’t mandate holding hands during the Our Father, therefore it would be wrong to do so.

The GIRM tells you what the Norms are for Mass, nowhere is hand holding during the Our Father mandated (or even mentioned). If you want to hold your family’s hands during the Our Father, that’s your PRIVATE devotion and can’t and shouldn’t be expected of everyone (unless the Vatican/Bishop’s decide they want to change the ruberics–so far they haven’t).

Jennifer
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I really don’t see how those ideas are workable. They lead to reasoning such as this:
The GIRM doesn’t mandate standing on two feet during the Gloria, so it’s wrong to do so.
The GIRM doesn’t mandate that we refrain from blowing our nose during the Eucharistic prayer, so it’s wrong to do so.
Etc., etc., etc.
Your last point is exactly it but doesn’t answer the question. Is this “PRIVATE devotion” prohibited because it is not mandated in the GIRM (not talking about anyone—clergy or laity—imposing it on someone that doesn’t want to do so)?
 
notreallysure said:
I really don’t see how those ideas are workable. They lead to reasoning such as this:
The GIRM doesn’t mandate standing on two feet during the Gloria, so it’s wrong to do so.
The GIRM doesn’t mandate that we refrain from blowing our nose during the Eucharistic prayer, so it’s wrong to do so.
Etc., etc., etc.
Your last point is exactly it but doesn’t answer the question. Is this “PRIVATE devotion” prohibited because it is not mandated in the GIRM (not talking about anyone—clergy or laity—imposing it on someone that doesn’t want to do so)?
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It’s as valid as your point: handholding is not in the GIRM so I can do it!!! I mean someone, somewhere introduced this idea into the Mass–it’s been added. And, actually, we do stand up during the Gloria, but I suppose you could stand on one foot and offer your potential suffering up?

Your private devotion is just that, private. Has nothing to do with me or your neighbors. Hold hands to your hearts content–within your family or like minded friends. Don’t make me hold your hand, however, because the ruberics don’t ask me to do that (and I’m usually holding a child or 2 during Mass and can’t anyway 😛 ).

Jennifer
 
Jennifer_J said:
It’s as valid as your point: handholding is not in the GIRM so I can do it!!! I mean someone, somewhere introduced this idea into the Mass–it’s been added. And, actually, we do stand up during the Gloria, but I suppose you could stand on one foot and offer your potential suffering up?

Your private devotion is just that, private. Has nothing to do with me or your neighbors. Hold hands to your hearts content–within your family or like minded friends. Don’t make me hold your hand, however, because the ruberics don’t ask me to do that (and I’m usually holding a child or 2 during Mass and can’t anyway 😛 ).

Jennifer
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OK, let me just say that I disagree with your logic but let me leave it at that.
My real point in this thread is that there are many people on this Board that say that what you and I have agreed is a private devotion, hand holding within my family, can not be done because of the GIRM. :nope: And, IMO that is totally wrong and just a misguided overreach because of the issues related to either or both of the clergy pushing the issue and/or the forcing others issue.:tsktsk:
So, who agrees that it is not a problem within a family? And who disagrees? In either case, why?
Also, if you still think this thread is about shoes during Mass, :eek: feel free to tell express your opinion on that as well.👍
 
I think the majority of people think as I do, or Jennifer J. I don’t care if you hold hands. If I do or don’t doesn’t have anything to do with anything. It doesn’t mean I want you to stop holding hands or to start holding hands. I think you are trying to make a hang nail into brain surgery.
 
Holland said:
I think the majority of people think as I do, or Jennifer J. I don’t care if you hold hands. If I do or don’t doesn’t have anything to do with anything. It doesn’t mean I want you to stop holding hands or to start holding hands. I think you are trying to make a hang nail into brain surgery.
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BUT the most important question is what does GIRM say about people HOLDING HANDS and WEARING CANVAS SHOES while they do. Sounds like a one way ticket to hell to me.
 
estesbob said:
BUT the most important question is what does GIRM say about people HOLDING HANDS and WEARING CANVAS SHOES while they do. Sounds like a one way ticket to hell to me.
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Next time my friend offers to hold my hand during Mass, I shall be sure to check what kind of shoes she is wearing. :eek:
 
In honor of this thread, or perhaps in protest, I shall be wearing Chuck Taylors to Mass until further notice.
 
Holland said:
I think the majority of people think as I do, or Jennifer J. I don’t care if you hold hands. If I do or don’t doesn’t have anything to do with anything. It doesn’t mean I want you to stop holding hands or to start holding hands. I think you are trying to make a hang nail into brain surgery.
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I do not understand the “hang nail” criticism at all. How am I doing that?
Also, I can tell you that many folks IRL and the majority of folks on many many hand holding threads here and at other similar boards do not agree with your view, do care if someone holds hands, even if not forced on others, and are extremely negative towards the concept and anyone who does hold hands.
That, and what is IMO the faulty “logic” that supposedly supports it are the reasons I started the thread.
 
SMHW said:
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I thought for sure it was Ecclesia de Calceis, which says in No. 23:
The ministers who carry out a specific function in the sacred liturgy must always wear the foot-wear proscribed in the liturgical books.[12] Aside from these, however, the faithful who participate in their own way in the sacrifice of the Mass should avail themselves of appropriate attire, which includes shoes in the proper liturgical color.[13] On more solemn occasions, white may be worn even if it is not the usual color of the day. These proscriptions apply only to the Roman Rite, without prejudice to the legitimate traditions, having been lawfully approved, of the eastern rites.
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