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DPMartin
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Is it possible that the Lord God gave us a life that we are incapable of living without Him? And if this is so, then why did He do this?
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GEddie
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You cannot live without Him, if He turned from you, you’d cease breathing. Even Adam did not become human, according to Genesis, until God breathed life into him.Is it possible that the Lord God gave us a life that we are incapable of living without Him? And if this is so, then why did He do this?
That’s ok as we are designed to live always with Him.
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fhansen
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He gave us a life that we are capable of living (i.e.free to live) without Him in terms of morality, in terms of how we’ll govern our lives, in terms of who our god is. And we don’t really live as a result -we’re dead spiritually to the extent we’re separated from Him.Is it possible that the Lord God gave us a life that we are incapable of living without Him? And if this is so, then why did He do this?
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Groucho_Marx
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I believe since God is pure existence then nothing can live without Him.Is it possible that the Lord God gave us a life that we are incapable of living without Him? And if this is so, then why did He do this?
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DPMartin
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GEddieYou cannot live without Him, if He turned from you, you’d cease breathing. Even Adam did not become human, according to Genesis, until God breathed life into him.
That’s ok as we are designed to live always with Him.
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I don’t understand what your talking about, many people chose to live without Him.
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DPMartin
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fhansenHe gave us a life that we are capable of living (i.e.free to live) without Him in terms of morality, in terms of how we’ll govern our lives, in terms of who our god is. And we don’t really live as a result -we’re dead spiritually to the extent we’re separated from Him.
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This depends on what you see as the life given. What is given to animals is not the same as given to men.
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DPMartin
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GrouchoI believe since God is pure existence then nothing can live without Him.
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Then how is it that men chose to live without God, but yet breath?
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MindOverMatter2
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Depending on the “context”, yes and no.Is it possible that the Lord God gave us a life that we are incapable of living without Him? And if this is so, then why did He do this?
No, if you mean that our essential nature has the power to exist without the esse of God. We are existing, but we are not “existence” by our own intrinsic nature. We merely participate in existence. Existence is something given to us; we do not generate it, and it is impossible to create it. So the answer to your question of why he made it this way: because it is metaphysically impossible for the being of any potential essence to exist without god.
Yes, if you mean our moral choices have no consequence on whether or not we exist. But even still, we cannot have the fullness of spiritual life (the beatific vision), if we choose to remain in sin.
So it is evident that the word life can be expressed in different senses. Therefore my question to you, is what do you mean by the word “life”.
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fred_conty
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Everyone wants beauty, love, joy, peace, friendship, comfort, satisfaction, and so on
That is what God is. Some don’t know.
That is what God is. Some don’t know.
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GEddie
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They breathe as long as God wills them to.Groucho
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Then how is it that men chose to live without God, but yet breath?
One day, your breathing will fail and your eyes will roll back. But if you are God’s friend, the next thing you will feel is our LORD breathing Heavenly life into you.
Those who do not know HIM (perhaps by another name) will not have that benefit.
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GEddie
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They can do so because their human bodies hold the first life they were given. When that runs out, though, only our LORD can give them Heavenly life.GEddie
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I don’t understand what your talking about, many people chose to live without Him.
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fhansen
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Only because He allows it for His purposes. We have virtually no control over the metabolic processes of our bodies, or over respiration/gas exchange in our lungs, or over a myriad of other processes that must take place on a moment by moment basis to sustain our health and lives. We don’t decide if, when, or to whom we’ll be born, our gender, our looks, etc, and yet we have virtually full control- god-like control -over morality, or how we’ll live, and from there we live as if we have no need for God at all.Groucho
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Then how is it that men chose to live without God, but yet breath?
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Groucho_Marx
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**It would seem my friend ignoring God and living without Him are two completely different things. From what I understand Man with free will can choose to ignore the reality that they are depended on God but they cannot escape that reality. **Groucho
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Then how is it that men chose to live without God, but yet breath?
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DPMartin
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MindOverMatter2Depending on the “context”, yes and no.
No, if you mean that our essential nature has the power to exist without the esse of God. We are existing, but we are not “existence” by our own intrinsic nature. We merely participate in existence. Existence is something given to us; we do not generate it, and it is impossible to create it. So the answer to your question of why he made it this way: because it is metaphysically impossible for the being of any potential essence to exist without god.
Yes, if you mean our moral choices have no consequence on whether or not we exist. But even still, we cannot have the fullness of spiritual life (the beatific vision), if we choose to remain in sin.
So it is evident that the word life can be expressed in different senses. Therefore my question to you, is what do you mean by the word “life”.
“Context”
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No! Life the power that gives it, how can it be in any other context, unless it be your view that would a view, other than the view of He who gives life to all His Creatures? And the Truth of Life is only in His view of what Life is, no matter the context.
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DPMartin
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GEddieThey can do so because their human bodies hold the first life they were given. When that runs out, though, only our LORD can give them Heavenly life.
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Could it be, the first life they were given was lost, and Jesus restored it? Remember now they weren’t sinners when God made man and woman.
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DPMartin
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fhansenOnly because He allows it for His purposes. We have virtually no control over the metabolic processes of our bodies, or over respiration/gas exchange in our lungs, or over a myriad of other processes that must take place on a moment by moment basis to sustain our health and lives. We don’t decide if, when, or to whom we’ll be born, our gender, our looks, etc, and yet we have virtually full control- god-like control -over morality, or how we’ll live, and from there we live as if we have no need for God at all.
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I understand what you are trying to get at, but it doesn’t matter what one thinks or may think he has control over. Life is as God has given it. It was once lost now its restored in Jesus Christ.
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fhansen
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Nor sure whatr you’re getting at in the OP, then. We can’t live at all without God, obviously. But He allowed people to continue living, in this world, banned from His presence, and He’ll allow people to live without Him in that sense in hell as well. If you’re asking whether or not we can live the life He wants us to live-the one He commands us to live, in fact, without Him, the answer is no. That’s the lesson we must learn, in fact-the understanding our first parents apparently missed.fhansen
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I understand what you are trying to get at, but it doesn’t matter what one thinks or may think he has control over. Life is as God has given it. It was once lost now its restored in Jesus Christ.
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GEddie
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The first life everybody is given is natural, biological being: “It is not the heavenly that is first, but the earthly”, (1 Co 15). This was the first life A&E received, and passed on down the generational cycle. Fuelled by entropy-driven chemistry, however, this life will ultimately leave our bodies. It is not restored: entropy only works one way. “Flesh and blood can have no part in the Kingdom of God” (1 Co 15).GEddie
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Could it be, the first life they were given was lost, and Jesus restored it? Remember now they weren’t sinners when God made man and woman.
It is the second life–the Heavenly life–that alone can last forever. Only our LORD can grant it.
Everybody is given natural life, and a natural body. This is our heritage as human beings. But only Heavenly life, the pneumatikon soma, will give us the eternity we yearn for.
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DPMartin
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GEddieThe first life everybody is given is natural, biological being: “It is not the heavenly that is first, but the earthly”, (1 Co 15). This was the first life A&E received, and passed on down the generational cycle. Fuelled by entropy-driven chemistry, however, this life will ultimately leave our bodies. It is not restored: entropy only works one way. “Flesh and blood can have no part in the Kingdom of God” (1 Co 15).
It is the second life–the Heavenly life–that alone can last forever. Only our LORD can grant it.
Everybody is given natural life, and a natural body. This is our heritage as human beings. But only Heavenly life, the pneumatikon soma, will give us the eternity we yearn for.
ICXC NIKA.
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What you speak of is not unknown, but explain this in your view.
Luke:3:38: Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Isn’t the Life given to the first man, “son of God”? How could this Life that was given to the first man, be of flesh?
What did Jesus restore to us?
Jn:1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
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DPMartin
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fhansenNor sure whatr you’re getting at in the OP, then. We can’t live at all without God, obviously. But He allowed people to continue living, in this world, banned from His presence, and He’ll allow people to live without Him in that sense in hell as well. If you’re asking whether or not we can live the life He wants us to live-the one He commands us to live, in fact, without Him, the answer is no. That’s the lesson we must learn, in fact-the understanding our first parents apparently missed.
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It seems to me that many have this notion that there life in the flesh, and this is not true. The flesh is a place that God has given us to live in the Presence of God, of whom Life is from. Not the place “flesh”, which keeps being taught by christians that there is life in the flesh, which is incorrect in God’s view, for in His view, Life is of Him. Isn’t Jesus the fulfillment of the Life of God the Father thorough the Son, in the Presence of God (Holy Spirit) in the flesh, Son of man?
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