Carbon Fasting.....Really?

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But then are people these days even making decent Lenten sacrficies?
Sure. Some do, some don’t. It doesn’t matter if no one on the planet makes a decent sacrifice in Lent it will never change the facts. Even if everyone in the whole world who received communion did so with mortal sins on their soul it would not make it ok and it would not stop being sacrilege.
What of the vegetarians? What do they stop eating on Fridays?
That has been addressed so many times. They don’t HAVE to do anything as long as they are meeting the minimum requirements, but if it is not a sacrifice for them they are encouraged to partake in another penitential practice of some sort.
No lollies, no tv, no meat? Its not hard at all to give these things up. Not any more.
Maybe not for you, but I always get these crazy cravings on Fridays for a hamburger or some other kind of meat. I might love what I’m eating instead but it doesn’t take my mind off the meat. That’s just me. It never was “hard” to give up meat on one day a week.
Unless we decide as a Church, or even as individuals, to move back to the really strict Lenten fasting, ie. no animal products, no milk, one meal a day after sunset then I can’t quite see anyone having the moral highground to complain about a group of Catholics who are choosing a more environmentally conscience fast.
Nonsense. We can plainly discern the difference between the penitential requirements being lessened while more is encouraged from those who are able and just doing something completely nonsensical and not sacrificial at all. Lessening does not equal abandoning and even if it did we’re back to what I said at the top.
And if people really wanted to make a sacrifice, how about turning the thermostat off completely? Or not using any lighting. No TV at all. No internet. Cut themselves off from all the “mod cons”.
Whatever you determine to be sacrificial and works for you, do. Don’t expect me to agree if your idea of sacrifice is turning the light switch off when you leave a room.
Thanks to the quake we had here recently I discovered that it is possible to live without hot showers.
I went without hot water for several years in college, saved a bunch of money that way.
End of the day, if it gets people thinking about God, who are any of us to judge their methods?
We are people with reason. These particular things I can’t see getting people to think about God, that’s the whole point.
 
I’m not trying t pick on you but you kind of proved a point here. In trying to show that it is a legitimate lenten practice you state that now you prepare food and boil water on a solar stove (which is fine) but you use it as an example of growing in your faith, but there is nothing in the Catholic faith that involves solar stoves. If anything the disaster that is unfolding in japan is showing us that these silly little sacrifices to the goddess are meaningless in the wake of a real ecological disaster.
I’m glad you found a neat stove, but tell us how you were brought closer to Jesus because that is what Lent should be about.
Thank you…thank you…anyone else seeing a “worship” of creation rather than the CREATOR??
 
Thank you…thank you…anyone else seeing a “worship” of creation rather than the CREATOR??
I just see someone not willing even to accept what Ratzinger said just to make a point for only traditional penitential practices, even to the point of accusing someone of being an idolater.

I suggest that you read the scripts by Romano Guardini paying attention to his description between what should and should not be allowed in liturgical vs. pious devotional practices.

I am not referring to Tigg in particular and I want remind to the readers that I am using the editorial you and not referring to a specific individual.
 
I’m not trying t pick on you but you kind of proved a point here. In trying to show that it is a legitimate lenten practice you state that now you prepare food and boil water on a solar stove (which is fine) but you use it as an example of growing in your faith, but there is nothing in the Catholic faith that involves solar stoves. If anything the disaster that is unfolding in japan is showing us that these silly little sacrifices to the goddess are meaningless in the wake of a real ecological disaster.
I’m glad you found a neat stove, but tell us how you were brought closer to Jesus because that is what Lent should be about.
Hi,👋 I’m glad you asked. First off I want to apologize should the circumstances herein described already be your circumstance. I sincerely do not mean to offend, or look down on people who knows no other way of life, I now know how privileged they are from a worship point of view.

As Westerner with all the Western commodity i.e. dishwasher, washing machine, bread machine, running warm water, TV , DVD, car, etc. etc. I thought my life was good, very good. I sometimes fretted when something went out of order or when there was a power failure for 3 hours. -

Added to the traditional Lenten fasting, I switched the mains off and stopped the use of my car. I did this because I had a burning desire for repentance of sins and a need for God to bring them to my remembrance. Switching the mains off for 40 days, only switching on for PC reading of the Office of the Hours on Universalis, taught me that I did not know the half of how my spiritual life would deepen, how carrying 5 litre buckets of warm water at a time into the house for simple tasks would humble my spirit until it cried out in praise to our Father for the warm sun he provided by day, .……for my physical strength and health to wash laundry by hand (and foot), bake bread. Perform all other normal tasks without electricity or the use of my car. By the 10th day I started making plans to simplify my life and discovered new ways to make my own washing powder, dish washing liquid and hand soap, which was running out, by using vinegar, baking soda, and Soap-wart, a plant growing in abundance in my garden – another gift from God.

So all along I learned to lean-on, and converse with my Creator by living more closely to, and with His creation substituting harmful chemicals with natural ingredients. I have also become aware of how selfish us Westerners are with our time spent with Him, and how we damage and abuse that which He gave us to be stewards over. It was very difficult to persevere to the 3rd week in Lent - a great sacrifice and time of penance for me, but by the 4th week, I was filled with the knowledge of God’s presence in my life and circumstance, accompanied with great piece and joy in the silence that comes about doing without all the mod cons. My life if a blessing and has changed permanently after last Lent. 🙂

My prayer is that you all will reach out to God and your neighbour, have a Lent with a smile on your face and a skip in your walk according to Jesus instructions about fasting.😉
 
Is it possible to do some of these things in a penitential manner in keeping with the spirit of Lenten sacrifice and self-denial? Absolutely, but that isn’t what is being advocated.
then we each read different articles
 
Yes - it absolutely does make my skin crawl, and it saddens me for those who fall for this useless drivel.

Changing light bulbs and recycling DOES NOT MAKE US GROW IN HOLINESS!!! Lent is a time for reflection, discernment of the state of our souls, recognition of Christ’s sacrifice. NONE of the garbage these ridiculous “green” calendars offer does any of this. It is insanity, and it leads people AWAY from Christ and personal holiness, not closer.

I am just floored that there are actually so many out there who think this is harmless and perfectly acceptable. That only tells me that they don’t have clue one that they are being totally played for fools, and they don’t even get it.

Christ, have mercy.

~Liza
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The Lenten Liturgy sets before us again three penitential practices that are very dear to the biblical and Christian tradition – prayer, almsgiving, fasting – to prepare us to better celebrate Easter and thus experience God’s power that, as we shall hear in the Paschal Vigil, “dispels all evil, washes guilt away, restores lost innocence, brings mourners joy, casts out hatred, brings us peace and humbles earthly pride” During Lent we need to focus especially on the value and meaning of fasting. Indeed, Lent recalls the forty days of our Lord’s fasting in the desert, which He undertook before entering into His public ministry. We read in the Gospel: “Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. He fasted for forty days and forty nights, and afterwards he was hungry” (Mt 4,1-2). Like Moses, who fasted before receiving the tablets of the Law (cf. Ex 34,28) and Elijah’s fast before meeting the Lord on Mount Horeb (cf. 1 Kings 19,8), Jesus, too, through prayer and fasting, prepared Himself for the mission that lay before Him, marked at the start by a serious battle with the tempter.
We might wonder what value and meaning there is for us Christians in depriving ourselves of something that in itself is good and useful for our bodily sustenance. The Sacred Scriptures and the entire Christian tradition teach that fasting is a great help to avoid sin and all that leads to it. For this reason, the history of salvation is replete with occasions that invite fasting. In the very first pages of Sacred Scripture, the Lord commands man to abstain from partaking of the prohibited fruit: “You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die” (Gn 2, 16-17). Commenting on the divine injunction, Saint Basil observes that “fasting was ordained in Paradise,” and “the first commandment in this sense was delivered to Adam.” He thus concludes: “ ‘You shall not eat’ is a law of fasting and abstinence”. Since all of us are weighed down by sin and its consequences, fasting is proposed to us as an instrument to restore friendship with God. Such was the case with Ezra, who, in preparation for the journey from exile back to the Promised Land, calls upon the assembled people to fast so that “we might humble ourselves before our God” The Almighty heard their prayer and assured them of His favor and protection. In the same way, the people of Nineveh, responding to Jonah’s call to repentance, proclaimed a fast, as a sign of their sincerity, saying: “Who knows, God may yet repent and turn from his fierce anger, so that we perish not?” In this instance, too, God saw their works and spared them.
In the New Testament, Jesus brings to light the profound motive for fasting, condemning the attitude of the Pharisees, who scrupulously observed the prescriptions of the law, but whose hearts were far from God. True fasting, as the divine Master repeats elsewhere, is rather to do the will of the Heavenly Father, who “sees in secret, and will reward you” (Mt 6,18). He Himself sets the example, answering Satan, at the end of the forty days spent in the desert that “man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God” (Mt 4,4). The true fast is thus directed to eating the “true food,” which is to do the Father’s will ( Jn 4,34). If, therefore, Adam disobeyed the Lord’s command “of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,” the believer, through fasting, intends to submit himself humbly to God, trusting in His goodness and mercy.
The practice of fasting is very present in the first Christian community (Acts 13,3; 14,22; 27,21; 2 Cor 6,5). The Church Fathers, too, speak of the force of fasting to bridle sin, especially the lusts of the “old Adam,” and open in the heart of the believer a path to God. Moreover, fasting is a practice that is encountered frequently and recommended by the saints of every age. Saint Peter Chrysologus writes: “Fasting is the soul of prayer, mercy is the lifeblood of fasting. So if you pray, fast; if you fast, show mercy; if you want your petition to be heard, hear the petition of others. If you do not close your ear to others, you open God’s ear to yourself”
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In our own day, fasting seems to have lost something of its spiritual meaning, and has taken on, in a culture characterized by the search for material well-being, a therapeutic value for the care of one’s body. Fasting certainly bring benefits to physical well-being, but for believers, it is, in the first place, a “therapy” to heal all that prevents them from conformity to the will of God. In the Apostolic Constitution Pope Paul VI saw the need to present fasting within the call of every Christian to “no longer live for himself, but for Him who loves him and gave himself for him.
The faithful practice of fasting contributes, moreover, to conferring unity to the whole person, body and soul, helping to avoid sin and grow in intimacy with the Lord. Saint Augustine, who knew all too well his own negative impulses, defining them as “twisted and tangled knottiness” (Confessions, II, 10.18), writes: “I will certainly impose privation, but it is so that he will forgive me, to be pleasing in his eyes, that I may enjoy his delightfulness”
Denying material food, which nourishes our body, nurtures an interior disposition to listen to Christ and be fed by His saving word. Through fasting and praying, we allow Him to come and satisfy the deepest hunger that we experience in the depths of our being: the hunger and thirst for God.
 
My main difficulty with this is that you’d need the discipline of a Cistercian to get through this program. How am I ever going to remember to get groceries that require boiling in water on 8th April?

Otherwise I think its a simple imaginative way of allowing some people to benefit more from the season. There’s a lot of googling about issues that you might be ignorant about which is good to do anytime and I always count study as one of the traditional practices of Lent.

A very Christian endeavour all round, not world changing but worthwhile.
 
Added to the traditional Lenten fasting, I switched the mains off and stopped the use of my car. I did this because I had a burning desire for repentance of sins and a need for God to bring them to my remembrance. Switching the mains off for 40 days, only switching on for PC reading of the Office of the Hours on Universalis, taught me that I did not know the half of how my spiritual life would deepen, how carrying 5 litre buckets of warm water at a time into the house for simple tasks would humble my spirit until it cried out in praise to our Father for the warm sun he provided by day, .……for my physical strength and health to wash laundry by hand (and foot), bake bread. Perform all other normal tasks without electricity or the use of my car. By the 10th day I started making plans to simplify my life and discovered new ways to make my own washing powder, dish washing liquid and hand soap, which was running out, by using vinegar, baking soda, and Soap-wart, a plant growing in abundance in my garden – another gift from God.
This is fine IF you live in a warm climate and IF you do not have to get to work or pick up children from school and IF you have time to do all this by manual labor.

Setting buckets of water outside for me would often result in ice covered buckets. I could not get to work (3 miles away) - no sidewalks, and my kids could not get to school (10 miles away via freeway). I could not do my computer-based job. So…no thanks. Glad it worked for you, though.

Be careful not to worship mother earth.
 
My main difficulty with this is that you’d need the discipline of a Cistercian to get through this program. How am I ever going to remember to get groceries that require boiling in water on 8th April?

Otherwise I think its a simple imaginative way of allowing some people to benefit more from the season. There’s a lot of googling about issues that you might be ignorant about which is good to do anytime and I always count study as one of the traditional practices of Lent.

A very Christian endeavour all round, not world changing but worthwhile.
And not SOUL changing in any way - so therefore useless and not worthwhile at all. Not as a Lenten practice at least.

What is Christian about changing light bulbs and recycling and using cold water to wash my socks? EVERYONE should consider doing those things as a matter of course because they make sense and are just good things to do. It doesn’t make anyone MORE Christian just because they are sensible. What we are called to do is grow in HOLINESS. And buying special groceries is not going to do that.

~Liza
 
What is Christian about changing light bulbs and recycling and using cold water to wash my socks? EVERYONE should consider doing those things as a matter of course because they make sense and are just good things to do. It doesn’t make anyone MORE Christian just because they are sensible. What we are called to do is grow in HOLINESS. And buying special groceries is not going to do that.

~Liza
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Funny, how in this age of deception they keep attempting to substitute environmentalism for authentic Lenten practices.

:newidea:

Here’s an idea…let’s all just go to confession with true contrition in our hearts for our sins!
 
I had a great conversation with some awesome hard core Catholics this weekend about this discussion. The response from one of the people there was so awesome I have to share it.

So - for Lent we sacrifice something we enjoy to help us grow in holiness, to deprive us of earthly things, to understand what it means to do without. Then on Easter we celebrate the risen Lord by partaking in that which we abstained from (within reason of course), and to celebrate ourselves as changed and more holy souls.

What do people who give up light bulbs do on Easter? Turn on every light in the house? Buy every incandescent light bulb they can find and have them triple bagged in plastic grocery bags?

It’s silly, it makes no sense. It totally looses the meaning of the intent of sacrifice. If you give up using incandescent lights, the intent is that you will do that forever. So then it’s no longer a sacrifice, it is a purchase decision.

Get holy or die trying. Planting a garden is not going to do that for you. Instead, why no use that time to sit before the Blessed Sacrament and pray for holiness.

~Liza
 
So - for Lent we sacrifice something we enjoy to help us grow in holiness, to deprive us of earthly things, to understand what it means to do without. Then on Easter we celebrate the risen Lord by partaking in that which we abstained from (within reason of course), and to celebrate ourselves as changed and more holy souls.

What do people who give up light bulbs do on Easter? Turn on every light in the house? Buy every incandescent light bulb they can find and have them triple bagged in plastic grocery bags?
But sacrificing something enjoyable isn’t all that we do in Lent. If someone decides to read the Bible every day, should they then throw the Bible in the closet and read The da Vinci Code for Easter? If someone gives up an afternoon each weekend to volunteer at a soup kitchen, should they spend the Easter season snubbing the poor and hungry? Are not these things intended to go beyond Lent, as well?

That conversation itself seems rather silly and doesn’t make the most sense.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
 
But sacrificing something enjoyable isn’t all that we do in Lent. If someone decides to read the Bible every day, should they then throw the Bible in the closet and read The da Vinci Code for Easter? If someone gives up an afternoon each weekend to volunteer at a soup kitchen, should they spend the Easter season snubbing the poor and hungry? Are not these things intended to go beyond Lent, as well?

That conversation itself seems rather silly and doesn’t make the most sense.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
Those are not acts of sacrifice, they are corporal works of mercy and prayer. Not the same thing.

~Liza
 
Those are not acts of sacrifice, they are corporal works of mercy and prayer. Not the same thing.
I disagree. They are both. There is sacrifice in them. And that’s kind of the point–the sacrifice part is the part you learn to appreciate the good of a thing, and the part where you can enjoy again at Easter. But in the case where your sacrifice also has other moral implications, you’re supposed to carry as much of that with you into the future.

There is no obligation during Lent to choose a sacrifice that also promotes a specific moral habit. Maybe it’s better to do that, but the idea is orthogonal to the primary purpose of sacrifice in and of itself.

Actually wait… does this mean I’m agreeing with you? Yeah I’m agreeing with you partly…
 
Those are not acts of sacrifice, they are corporal works of mercy and prayer. Not the same thing.

~Liza
Why are they not acts of sacrifice? Isn’t it a sacrifice if instead of setting up in front of the television and watching the ball game, I undertake a corporal work of mercy? And aren’t those equally a part of the Lenten season to begin with?
 
Why are they not acts of sacrifice? Isn’t it a sacrifice if instead of setting up in front of the television and watching the ball game, I undertake a corporal work of mercy? And aren’t those equally a part of the Lenten season to begin with?
Ah! C’mon; your attributing giving up a one, two, three or more ball games during Lent is called a real sacrifice of the flesh?

Isn’t that like saying "I think I’ll give up drinking my six-packs these next seven weeks. Yeah you know my Lenten duty and all. Such a great effort and sacrifice.

Six weeks and six days later…boy did I ever miss my cold ones.
Whew! glad Lent is all over!

I would have thought a real good sacrificial Lent in the mortification of denying the flesh was something you keep denying yourself the remainder of your life???

Just a thought.

Peace
Chris
 
I would have thought a real good sacrificial Lent in the mortification of denying the flesh was something you keep denying yourself the remainder of your life???
No, that rather misses the point. We fast for these 40(-ish) days, but in preparation for the feasting and celebration of Easter. There’s nothing inherently wrong with beer or meat or food in general, and it would actually be wrong to continue fasting when the Bridegroom is with us. [/tangent]

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
 
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