Cardinal Breaks the Oath of Secrecy, Conclave

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Yeah, but the question at the end of that is a good one…

the oath was under affect during the conclave…

do we know if there is a time limitation on that oath which would have released them from the oath now???

It will be interesting to see if the vatican launches an investigation. I can’t imagine it would be too difficult to track down who this cardinal was.

But if it isn’t a dire matter, perhaps there won’t be an investigation…
 
I would be curious too. But a vow is a vow though. It sickens me that this came out.
 
How do we know this is really true? With all of the anti-Catholicism in the world today and how the MSM like to make things up, this is very suspect. They know that, if this were true, the Cardinal would not come forward.

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I don’t believe it. For me, the thing about a ballot being cast for Cardinal Bernard Law convinced me that this is wack.

In the unlikely event that this is true, I bet the Cardinal would be Godfried Daneels.
 
Fidei Defensor:
In the unlikely event that this is true, I bet the Cardinal would be Godfried Daneels.
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I would not take that bet. Speculation like that is wrong.

PF
 
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WanderAimlessly:
I would not take that bet. Speculation like that is wrong.

PF
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Don’t take my comment so seriously. I already said I don’t believe the report. Another reason why I don’t believe it:

“Brunelli says he couldn’t identify the author because of the vow of secrecy each cardinal took before entering the conclave. Punishment for violating the vow is excommunication.”

People have the misconception that excommunication is like being formally sentenced when one has violated some Church rules. Not so. Breaking conclave secrecy incurs latae sententiae excommunication, meaning, it is an automatic spiritual punishment on the person’s soul. That cardinal, whoever he is, is already excommunicated, assuming that the report is true. Any cardinal would know this. I would be utterly shocked if a cardinal was actually imprudent enough to commit** consciously** an act that would separate himself from the Church.
 
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We have no idea even if this ‘diary’ is written by a Cardinal or not.

This is all speculation at this point.
 
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We have no idea even if this ‘diary’ is written by a Cardinal or not.
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This is all speculation at this point.
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That was my first thought exactly. I remember when Pope John XXIII was elected there were stories of how it was between Angelo Roncali and some Cardinal from Russia that I cant remember his name and the Cardinal from Russia didnt answer one question correctly so the vote went to Roncali. There are always speculations of what went on and then sombody comes up with a “dairy”. I believe these things just as much as I believe that Elvis was spotted in such and such hotel.
 
Joseph Ratzinger was elected Pope in April after his closest rival in the conclave, a cardinal from Argentina, indicated he did not want the responsibility, according to a secret account published by a magazine on Friday.
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Isn’t that more or so one requirements of the job? Isn’t the room they change in called “The room of tears” as most elected pontiffs would not prefer such a heavy burden but will accept God’s call?
 
Sorry sounds like an un-truth. IMHO if this was actually written and told by one of the Cardinals then he would have included his name.

But then again I don’t pay much attention to blogs unless I can verify the information.
 
In the article, specific vote tallies are given. How could someone making it all up get that right? Wouldn’t it become so obvious if it weren’t true… and no reporter would want a story such as this one - printed all over the world to blow up in his face like that?

I didn’t read it in a blog… I read it in today’s Chicago Tribune… huge article w/ picture…

chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509240194sep24,1,4210361.story
 
carol marie:
In the article, specific vote tallies are given. How could someone making it all up get that right?..
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How do we know they are right unless that information has been released to the public? If it has been released to the public, someone could use this information to write a bogus article.
 
Joseph Bilodeau:
How do we know they are right unless that information has been released to the public? If it has been released to the public, someone could use this information to write a bogus article.
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I thought the information was never released to the public because they had a vow of secrecy? So my point is… if someone just made it up - as suggested - wouldn’t all of the Cardinals be able to quickly say… “Those weren’t the votes… none of it is true.” Which would make the reporter look like a fool / liar? And who wants to look like a fool / liar to the whole world? Talk about a bad career move…

Which makes me think, sadly, it might be true? But why would a Cardinal DO that?
 
An article ran in our newspaper today about this and even before reading it through my thought was that it was not true.
All I could imagine is if somehow, someone got their hands on a diary, but a Cardinal actually turning their own diary over to the media is doubtful.
First due to the consequence on his soul and secondly the scandal and twisting that the media would definitely revel in.
 
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Pumpkin:
An article ran in our newspaper today about this and even before reading it through my thought was that it was not true.
All I could imagine is if somehow, someone got their hands on a diary, but a Cardinal actually turning their own diary over to the media is doubtful.
First due to the consequence on his soul and secondly the scandal and twisting that the media would definitely revel in.
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Yikes Pumpkin… your font is too small!

Do you think if the diary was stolen - or looked at without the Cardinal’s knowledge… that truth will come out?
 
carol marie:
In the article, specific vote tallies are given. How could someone making it all up get that right? Wouldn’t it become so obvious if it weren’t true… and no reporter would want a story such as this one - printed all over the world to blow up in his face like that?

I didn’t read it in a blog… I read it in today’s Chicago Tribune… huge article w/ picture…

chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509240194sep24,1,4210361.story
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Time Magazine already ran a similar article months ago, right after the conclave, saying that Ratzinger got 95 of 115 votes on the fourth ballot. So two conflicting stories have been published. And I don’t believe either one. They both say that Bergoglio was the closest challenger, which is understandable, but give different vote tallies. Both stories also claim sources from cardinals.

Time Story via Drudge: drudgereportarchives.com/data/2005/04/24/20050424_132800_flash1.htm
 
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