Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider ask for prayer and fasting

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Fauken said:
The Catholic Church did not come up with the books of the bible check history not catholic doctrine
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The New Testament emerged from the Christian practice of reading from “the memoirs of the Apostles of from the Prophets” as Justin Martyr explained in his First Apology (defense of Christianity), addressed to the Emperor Antoninus Pius in 155 AD.

This practice of reading during religious services led to questions of what was and what was not proper to read. There were, after all, many forgeries – such as the Gospels of Mary (Magdalene) and of Judas. As early as 170 AD there was a list, the Muratorian fragment, of the books and documents proper to read in church. It is not identical to the New Testament as we have it, however.

By the Fourth Century, bookbinding had emerged, which made it imperative to standardize the list – once bound into a single book, adding or removing material would be difficult. A series of councils produced lists for both the Old and New Testaments, and this Canon was proclaimed by Pope Damascus the First in 382 AD.
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Yes, we know that Our Lord Jesus Christ told us that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church.

We pray and fast so that a large number of people will be with the Church as it goes through these trying times.
 
What don’t you trust about them? They are two extremely faithful bishops who never fail to preach Catholic doctrine.
 
Emeraldlady said:
What in your opinion sets them apart from all the extremely faithful bishops who never fail to preach Catholic doctrine, but joyfully encourage us to embrace the teachings of Pope Francis and the Magisterium today?
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Are you saying that Cardinals Burke and Schneider encourage the faithful to reject the Magisterium? Where’s your evidence?
 
Emeraldlady said:
You didn’t answer my question.
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Because it wasn’t directed to me.
Emeraldlady said:
Why should I as a faithful Catholic, not enjoy and embrace the teachings of Pope Francis as inspired by the Holy Spirit for the universal Church, without doubt or criticism? Why do these two who state a “crisis” and litany of “errors”, be more trusted than the faithful Bishops who encourage us to accept Pope Francis teaching, with hope, joy and faith?
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You do realize that not everything the Pope says is necessarily inspired by the Holy Spirit, right?
 
Fauken said:
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Emeraldlady:
You didn’t answer my question.
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Because it wasn’t directed to me.
Emeraldlady said:
Why should I as a faithful Catholic, not enjoy and embrace the teachings of Pope Francis as inspired by the Holy Spirit for the universal Church, without doubt or criticism? Why do these two who state a “crisis” and litany of “errors”, be more trusted than the faithful Bishops who encourage us to accept Pope Francis teaching, with hope, joy and faith?
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You do realize that not everything the Pope says is necessarily inspired by the Holy Spirit, right?
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Are you going to answer my question?
 
I believe that your question was actually directed to me, but I’m not sure why. I was asking another poster why he/she doesn’t trust these two bishops, who have never done anything contrary to the faith. I never mentioned anything about any other bishops, so I’m not sure form where your question comes.
 
Emeraldlady said:
Are you going to answer my question?
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A question that loaded? No. I will not answer a question that presupposes that everything Pope Francis says is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that Cardinals Burke and Schneider are unfaithful Bishops.
 
Fuerza said:
I believe that your question was actually directed to me, but I’m not sure why. I was asking another poster why he/she doesn’t trust these two bishops, who have never done anything contrary to the faith. I never mentioned anything about any other bishops, so I’m not sure form where your question comes.
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But that is what I’m asking? Why should people trust these two over other bishops who are equally faithful but encourage us to embrace teachings like the inadmissibility of the death penalty? In June the US Bishops voted 194 to 8 to recognise the revised teaching on the death penalty. When you ask someone why don’t you trust Burke and Schneider who reject that teaching, you’ll need to give some defense as to why their opinion is more trustworthy than the majority of other Bishops.
 
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Emeraldlady said:
In June the US Bishops voted 194 to 8 to recognise the revised teaching on the death penalty.
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Bishop Schneider is a bishop in Kazakhstan. What the US bishops do is not his business.
 
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There have been many horrible bishops throughout history. In the Middle Ages we had bishops who acted more as secular princes than as shepherds. Today bishops face other temptations…
Even so, they are the successors of the apostles and as a college, united to the Bishop of Rome, they are guided by the Holy Spirit and deserve our reverence and obedience.
 
Hands off our Bishops…
You are off-side and you know it, this is a Catholic forum.
 
twf said:
There have been many horrible bishops throughout history. In the Middle Ages we had bishops who acted more as secular princes than as shepherds.
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There have also been many holy bishops who became saints. There are probably additional holy bishops who managed to do a good job and are probably in Heaven or on the way there even if they don’t end up beatified or canonized.
 
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graciew said:
Hands off our Bishops…
You are off-side and you know it, this is a Catholic forum.
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This isn’t some novelty I came up with. All one needs to do is read what some of these bishops come up with and compare it to all prior teachings.

The letters of John and Jude in the New Testament give clear warnings about false teachers within the Church. This is not my own invention.
 
Worried about this? No.Zero.
But there is a certain level and standard we have tried to keep for years in these forums and there are rules.
 
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He doesn’t trust those bishops because they’ve been openly critical of the Pontiff.
 
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