Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider ask for prayer and fasting

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on_the_hill said:
He doesn’t trust those bishops because they’ve been openly critical of the Pontiff.
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“Critical” in terms of seeking answers and clarity. These men have been patient, respectful, and charitable in their communications with the Holy Father.

Unfortunately, “critical” has taken on connotations of being mean or resentful, or questioning someone’s motives without cause. It is another words whose effect and meaning has been twisted by the current easily-offended age.
 
This, people forget that it is okay to critique the hirearchy when they are in the wrong. Saint Paul did it to St. Peter to his face and the church was better off because of it. Pope Francis himself even agrees that a Pontiff can be wrong


What Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider are doing is a net good for Jesus’ Church. Even if you (some how) disagree with their conservativeness there is no harm in praying and fasting for the Church that she may be protected from the errors of the likes of Cardinal Marx and his cadre of liberal bishops.
 
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I don’t need to provide any defense to ask someone a question. And I never mentioned anything about the death penalty. You clearly have an agenda, and I’m not really interested in engaging.
 
Oy! This topic. My faith was basically shattered in the saga of the synod on the family 4 years ago and so was my life. Now every time I try to come back, I find more and more news that sends me right back into that dark place when all of a sudden, the only stable thing in my life (the church) became unstable.
 
Jesus did not leave us! Let us stay and pray…we need one another and the Lord most of all.
 
Tolle_Lege said:
Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the faith would immediately recognize the numerous errors and wayward new-age thinking contained in the Amazon Synod Instrumentum Laboris.
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Spot on , TolleLege
 
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That’s not animosity. It’s being critical, and if anyone deserves criticism, it’s Bishop Marx.
 
“I am afraid that some Westerners will confiscate this assembly to move their projects forward,” he said.

“I am thinking in particular of the ordination of married men, the creation of women’s ministries or giving jurisdiction to laypeople,” he continued.

Cdl Sarah quote from lifesitenews 24.9.19
 
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Frankie65 said:
“I am thinking in particular of the ordination of married men, the creation of women’s ministries or giving jurisdiction to laypeople,” he continued.
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I’m for all of those things… and none of those things go against the Church… I’m confused at the good cardinals objections.
 
TheBomb.Com said:
That’s not animosity. It’s being critical, and if anyone deserves criticism, it’s Bishop Marx.
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My mistake then… I thought calling for protection from Cardinal Marx and his cadre of liberal bishops was a personal attack that was not based on a substantive position, but instead cheap name calling.
 
Warning who? Welcome to the modern Church of public opinion synods
 
“Raise your hand if you think we should ordain women as priests.”
 
If you are a Protestant, maybe not. You can just open another of the 33,000+ denominations.
We are not Protestants. Your post makes the hierarchy of the Church illegitimate. Before the synod begins.
And frankly, I cannot hope but wonder if your voiced opinion was intended by a Bishop. I don’t want to worry that, but I think you are the target of this message.
 
Pope Francis has spoken on this issue. It is sexy, but I wouldn’t worry that the Amazon people will change the Clergy by permitting women priests.
Pope Francis chose Francis as his name for a reason. I would put my faith in that fact at the Synod.
We are gardeners in God’s garden. This synod is likely to remind Catholics of our function. Reminded to tend what God obviously loves.
 
godisgood77 said:
My mistake then… I thought calling for protection from Cardinal Marx and his cadre of liberal bishops was a personal attack that was not based on a substantive position, but instead cheap name calling.
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Cdl Marx scares the heck out of me. I would want to be protected from him
 
godisgood77 said:
I’m for all of those things… and none of those things go against the Church… I’m confused at the good cardinals objections.
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Sorry here’s more of what he said

“These points concern the structure of the universal Church. They cannot be discussed in a particular and local synod. The importance of its subjects requires the serious and conscious participation of all the bishops of the world. Yet very few are invited to this synod.”

Cardinal Sarah said that taking advantage of a “particular synod” to introduce these “ideological projects” would be an “unworthy manipulation”, a “dishonest deception” and even “an insult to God.”

“In addition, I am shocked and outraged that the spiritual distress of the poor in the Amazon is being used as a pretext to support projects that are typical of bourgeois and worldly Christianity,” he stated.

‘A young Church doesn’t need married priests’

Sarah stated that he is opposed to allowing optional celibacy, even in mission territories. The Guinean cardinal reminded his interviewer that he comes from a “young Church”
 
Great post!

The world must submit to the authority of Christ and his church. The church must not submit to the cultures of the world.

(Dumbing) down the faith is not effective and leads to chaos as we can already identify in the numerous Protestant denominations and their vast array of different beliefs and truths.
 
Calling Cardinal Marx a liberal isn’t name calling or an attack. It’s the truth. Cardinal Marx himself even wants Jesus’ church to recognize sodomite “marriage” and bless it
https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2018/02/04/cardinal-marx-suggests-church-should-bless-gay-couples/

Instead of correcting these sinners and telling them why they are sinning, he wants the church to allow them to stay in their mortal sin. That’s exactly what a liberal bishop would do. Him and his cadre of bishops that are officiating these synods are going to lead people to hell instead of Christ if they don’t change their liberal ways.
 
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Emeraldlady said:
And the Eastern Catholics have married Priests also.
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The Catholic Church has had married priests for 2000 years albeit in certain rites… many of the objections, particularly by Burke and Schneider, present the idea of married priests as some sort of affront to Catholic doctrine… which is absurd
 
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