Cardinal Canizares of Spain under fire for alleged "hate speech"

[MacBP]

Think for instance of countries (like El Salvador) where they are jailing women who are having miscarriages as well as abortions.

Its my understanding that a miscarriage is not a crime but abortion is. Those cases where women have been allegedly jailed for miscarriage result when the government felt that said miscarriage was an attempted abortion. In other words, an overzealous application of the law which can occur for virtually any type of criminal we can think of. People go to jail on false accusations of rape and murder too, but I think we can agree that laws prosecuting rape and murder are a good thing. So simply because the execution of a law isn’t always entirely just doesn’t necessarily make the law itself unjust.

With respect to the post, in areas where pro-LGBT communities have a big presence, its hard to take too much umbrige with the Bishops statment. Ironically they act very much like the theocracies this thread was critiquing. The unfortunate things is that such language may have the unintentional effect of inviting further unjuat discrimination where such descrimination is common. So how does one critique the rather extremist elements we see of enforced LGBT affirmation while still protecting LGBT people from discrimination where such descrimination may be commonplace…

 

[zamyrabyrd]

So how does one critique the rather extremist elements we see of enforced LGBT affirmation while still protecting LGBT people from discrimination where such discrimination may be commonplace…

Discrimination is not a dirty word or a bad thing. An employer should have the right to discriminate whom he wants in his workplace. If a teacher of children, sure, no person with a self-image dysphoria, like transgender. By all means, keep him or her away from kids!

 

[twf]

Theology and doctrine is all in the interpretation, isn’t it? One person, or government, carrying out what they believe is Catholic teachings can be very different from another. So it totally depends on who is in charge.

In the one Catholic theocracy we currently have, for instance, women are forbidden to vote. Or to wear anything but black.

I would say that it is quite similar in Saudi Arabia, except that they allowed women to vote last year. They wear black too, only covering a bit more of the body than Catholics.

All women in the Vatican must wear black? Could you provide a source please?
Regardless, I don’t see the analogy to Saudi Arabia. No one is “born” a Vatican resident nor is anyone compelled / pressured to live there. It is not a normal society, but serves a very specialized purpose .Saudi Arabia is an ordinary country with millions of citizens who were born there who are compelled to follow its norms. How can you compare that to those who voluntarily enter into religious service at the Vatican? Voting likewise…I assume you are referring to the fact that only Cardinals participate in papal elections? Not really comparable to civil elections in a normal, full fledged society. Again, no one lives in the Vatican beyond those who elect to serve in a religious capacity.

 

[Wannabe_Monk_16]

In the one Catholic theocracy we currently have, for instance, women are forbidden to vote. Or to wear anything but black.

Woah! Where is this? And can you please provide proof of these restrictions?

 

[Brandon_Cal]

Woah! Where is this? And can you please provide proof of these restrictions?

I think it’s a reference to Vatican City, though I think the protocol of women wearing black when they have a private or semi-private audience with the Pope is being confused for all women being required to wear black in Vatican City.