Cardinal Cupich: ‘Evangelization’ doesn’t mean converting Jews to Catholicism

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What’s an attack? The Cardinal’s view? And who is the “you” to whom you’re referring?
 
Pretty sure Luther’s “on the jews and their lies” had more of an impact in Germany than the Catholic Church.

Especially given that the nazis were most successful in non catholic parts of Germany
 
The Nazis were Bavarian in origin. Bavaria was the most Catholic part of Germany proper.

That being said, the Nazi leadership were NOT believing Christians.
 
Sure individuals could have originated there, but when you look at electoral maps there’s a stark contrast between the majority catholic regions and protestant ones in their support for the Nazi party.
 
Not just individuals. The Nazi movement as a whole originated in Bavaria.
 
Yes, I do. I think the statement is incorrect according to BOTH Catholic and Jewish teaching. I do not believe Catholicism teaches that Jews have lost their status in the eyes of G-d. And, from the Jewish perspective, contemporary Judaism is strongly based on and traces its lineage to Ancient Judaism in the Pharasaic tradition. The only Catholics I have ever met who think otherwise are in cyberspace, namely, on CAF, though certainly not all on this Forum.
 
@meltzerboy2’s opinion on this is not relevant since this is a Catholic point of view whereas he speaks from the Jewish point of view. It’s only going to lead to debate if meltzer weighed in on it.
 
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Nor should you feel guilty. Judaism does not believe in collective guilt, and neither do I personally. Besides, your Danish ancestors were probably in a positive position insofar as Nazi atrocities are concerned. Denmark was fiercely independent of the Nazis and is noted for not capitulating to Nazi leaders by refusing to turn over their Jewish citizens to them.
 
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thephilosopher6 said:
@meltzerboy2’s opinion on this is not relevant since this is a Catholic point of view whereas he speaks from the Jewish point of view. It’s only going to lead to debate if meltzer weighed in on it.
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If a non-Catholic claims that the Catholics of today have little similarity to the Catholics of the past, we probably should be willing to listen to a Catholic who offers an opinion. I like being educated. And if debate is part of education, so be it.
 
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And, from the Jewish perspective, contemporary Judaism is strongly based on and traces its lineage to Ancient Judaism in the Pharasaic tradition.
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I think everyone, including myself, accepts that. But Christianity from the start was opposed to many Pharisaic ideals. Jesus’s views on purity laws and the Temple were in contrast to Pharisaism since Jesus was more, should I say, “liberal” on purity laws, and his ideals on the Temple were somewhat similar to the Essenes (though his view on purity laws were in stark contrast to the Essenes as well).
 
But I stated as well that the Catholic Church does NOT hold this point of view regarding the lost status of the Jews. This statement is not from a Jewish vantage point but rather based on what I have read about Church teaching.
 
That’s fine, but I’m just saying it could lead to debate.
 
I said nothing about the status though. As far as I know, the Church teaches that the “spirit of Israel” has been “given” to the Church, that we are the true sons and daughters of Abraham. However, God has not forgotten the Jews in the flesh since Christ was a Jew in the flesh and the Jews of the flesh were chosen by God through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to have the Messiah come from them. He made a covenant with your race and he still has plans for you.
 
Nevertheless, there have been a number of Jewish converts to Catholicism, beginning with the Twelve apostles and nearly all of the early Church. We are, after all, followers of the Jewish Messiah. And there have been more recent converts of course. Now, what I wonder is this: will RCIA directors need to post a sign saying ‘no Jews need apply’? “Oh, and if you’re Anglican, Presbyterian, Baptist, or pretty much anything else, just follow your own religion.” Will Marcus Grodi be out of a job?
 
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Or a lot of people served them because if they didn’t their families would be executed and tortured.

That’s a little bit different incentive than just the blind hatred a lot of people seem to wish existed today, no?
 
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Or a lot of people served them because if they didn’t their families would be executed and tortured.

That’s a little bit different incentive than just the blind hatred a lot of people seem to wish existed today, no?
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Actually, the historical record demonstrates that many succumbed to other motivations including greed, a desire for power and/or career advancement, jealousy, etc. People often did not act to stop what was happening because what was happening benefited them in some way.

This woman did not turn in her neighbor because she feared for her own life:
 
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…Need we mention the Apostles - even St. Paul…? And their words before the people & the Sanhedrin in Acts…?

St. Stephen’s testimony & martyrdom…?
 
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I’m not clear on why we’re now discussing the Crusades.
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It’s probably best not to.
And no one is trying to make you feel guilt. ??? We’re exploring possible reasons why there is now a hesitancy to convert Jews.
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Because of all this pluralistic culture that frankly has infected more than helped the Catholic Church. Too many Catholics think it’s okay to be this or that, and a lot of Catholics don’t have much moral authority on this because they don’t even follow their own faith much less exist in a position to convert others.

We’ve lost the idea that being true to our core values and having a confident culture are the best ways to convert others.
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Simply put, Archbishop Pozzo’s comments are in line with consistent Church teaching. Cardinal Cupich’s…no.
 
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