Cardinal George and the Mormons

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Also, speaking of Cardinal George’s speech, the article states that “Cardinal George explained that religious freedom cannot be reduced to just freedom of worship or even freedom of private conscience, but that individual and religious groups must have the right to exercise their influence in the public square.” It then quotes him as saying:

“The lesson of American history is that churches and other religious bodies prosper in a nation and a social order that respects religious freedom and recognizes that civil government should never stand between the consciences and the religious practices of its citizens and Almighty God.”

This idea of religious freedom for all groups is contrary to traditional Catholic teaching, and goes directly against Pope Pius IX’s encyclical, *Quanta Cura *, in which he states:

For you well know, venerable brethren, that at this time men are found not a few who, applying to civil society the impious and absurd principle of “naturalism,” as they call it, dare to teach that “the best constitution of public society and (also) civil progress altogether require that human society be conducted and governed without regard being had to religion any more than if it did not exist; or, at least, without any distinction being made between the true religion and false ones.” And, against the doctrine of Scripture, of the Church, and of the Holy Fathers, they do not hesitate to assert that “that is the best condition of civil society, in which no duty is recognized, as attached to the civil power, of restraining by enacted penalties, offenders against the Catholic religion, except so far as public peace may require.” From which totally false idea of social government they do not fear to foster that erroneous opinion, most fatal in its effects on the Catholic Church and the salvation of souls, called by Our Predecessor, Gregory XVI, an “insanity,” that “liberty of conscience and worship is each man’s personal right, which ought to be legally proclaimed and asserted in every rightly constituted society; and that a right resides in the citizens to an absolute liberty, which should be restrained by no authority whether ecclesiastical or civil, whereby they may be able openly and publicly to manifest and declare any of their ideas whatever, either by word of mouth, by the press, or in any other way.” But, while they rashly affirm this, they do not think and consider that they are preaching “liberty of perdition;” and that “if human arguments are always allowed free room for discussion, there will never be wanting men who will dare to resist truth, and to trust in the flowing speech of human wisdom; whereas we know, from the very teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, how carefully Christian faith and wisdom should avoid this most injurious babbling.” (3)

The cardinal is in error.
Only if you reject Vatican 2 documents. The issue is somewhat more subtle than most people are accustomed to. Both the Vatican 2 documents and prior Church statements are true; it is the presumption that Vatrican 23 contradicts prior statements that sets the whole issue spinning.

The issue has been disucssed in far greater depth than can be done in these forae and if you are not satisfied with the above comment (and I would not expect anyone to be), then some research into what the Church has had to say might be beneficial. Arguing the point herein is pointless.
 
Only if you reject Vatican 2 documents. The issue is somewhat more subtle than most people are accustomed to. Both the Vatican 2 documents and prior Church statements are true; it is the presumption that Vatrican 23 contradicts prior statements that sets the whole issue spinning.
Who brought up Vatican 2? I sure didn’t. I simply contrasted Cardinal George’s statement with the traditional Catholic teaching, as expressed in Pope Pius IX’s encyclical, Quanta Cura.
 
Cardinal George speaking to Mormons:

“Our churches have different histories and systems of belief and practice, although we acknowledge a common reference point in the person and the gospel of Jesus Christ.”

Mal: Mormons or Jehovahs Witnesses or Seventh day Adventists or Talmudic Jews or Islamics all have different histories, right Cardinal George. They all can Point to The GOD of Abraham , Right Cardinal George? In fact just about anything goes these days. Oh with one exception.

Dont be caught dead Worshipping GOD with the Tridentine Latin Mass at a Sedevacantist Chapel.

Its Straight to Hell with you if you do , Right Cardinal?
 
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