Pope Honorius confirmed Monothelites through public silence and private letters, and was condemned for it by an Ecumenical Council after his death. The Church has been through worse, it’s just very jarring to live through it.
Pope Honorius did not confirm Monithelitism. He explicitly ordered them not to teach the doctrine of one operation in Christ.
Both the article and the Council show that Honorius confirmed Sergius in his errors. He did this by saying that Sergius wasn’t necessarily wrong, and refusing to issue any private or public correction or confirmation of orthodoxy. This is precisely the type of situation we currently find ourselves in; if we believed in the Church before Pope Francis and Amoris Laetitia, there is no reason to lose Faith now. If there is indeed error, the Pope is at worst falling into the trap that Honorius did.
The council’s condemnation was modified by Pope Leo II, who condemned Honorius II not for confirming any heresy, but:
The point I am making is that Pope Honorius I was guilty only of a sin of omission, in that he did not take appropriate efforts to stamp out the monothelite heresy when it was presented to him. All of the actual teachings of Pope Honorius I were orthodox, and it is important for us Catholics to be able to defend him against those who accuse him of heresy.
I never said that Pope Honorius taught heresy. One can confirm in many ways, and it can be implicit and even unintended. I mean only that by privately saying “you aren’t wrong” and “let’s just not talk about it publically”, both of which were in fact done by Honorius, heresy is confirmed though not affirmed.
His Holiness Pope Francis I has not done anything wrong. Comparing him to Pope Honorius I is a horrible accusation to make. You should repent.
You should more carefully read what people write.
His Holiness has refused to correct the error of Bishops like the Maltese and Argentinians and Germans and to answer questions seeking clarity on those positions. By a private letter to the Argentinians, he has confirmed to people that their contradiction of church teaching on this matter is at least permissible, a letter that they use as authority to advance their positions, just like people did with Honorius’ letter at the height of that controversy. That alone makes him very much like Pope Honorius. I for one am comforted by the knowledge that such a precedent exists in the church. It allows us to look back and say, see, the church has survived this before. Maybe things aren’t as out of control as they appear to those living in the ages of controversy.
“The Church has always taught…” can be an opinion. It is always worth bearing in mind that the Pope may be right an you may be wrong.The circular logic of primacy of conscience dictates that one should do just that. Form an opinion as to what is right and wrong.There are still people here that continue to judge the pope as right or wrong based on their own opinions.
This is a highly inaccurate and misguided post.
Yep! I will never again be so dismissive of Orthodox and Protestants who make the charge. I will just explain the church teaching and tell them like in all doctrines there are many who are very mistaken and uninformed. I do wonder what some of these guys would do if they lived through the pope who toasted the devil from the altar of st. Peter’s? I bet they would still twist themselves in strange shapes trying to explain why that was kosher and in keeping with church tradition and how dare anyone think that the vicar of Christ was in error about anything!
:clapping::clapping::clapping:
What you are describing is not primacy of conscience. Here is the Catechism on the subject:
Self-examination must be done with enough humility to recognize one might be wrong. If one is at odds with one’s bishop, priest, Pope, or the Church). Such examination must lead to a continuation of formation. I love this quote from St. Augustine:
We can say before God that we truly are trying to discern truth, or prudence, or whatever it is we are contemplating. I get the impression that many here have their opinion and have no interest in digging deeper. Well, that makes sense if this is not an important issue for you. But when I see people talk of abandoning their faith over this, then I question if the role of conscience is properly understood. The Church is not even done with Amoris Laetitia, and I assume all posting here are not done with their life time of formation.
Here is something from Pope Francis about conscience. It is June 2013 .
I’m not sure. If Cardinal Burke could do so, then I assume Cardinal Muller could do so. But Cardinal Muller to my knowledge hasn’t said he could give a formal correction to Pope Francis regarding this whole issue, Cardinal Burke has said he could. So if a formal correction happens, I don’t see the formal correction coming from Cardinal Muller.