Cardinal Marx urges change in tradition ahead of celibacy discussion

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I came across this today and could not believe an actual Cardinal is openly promoting relativism.
“Truth is not final. We can recognise it deeper in the shared path of the Church,” Cardinal Marx said in his homily. He said he will take new stances on issues because it is his “duty as a priest and a bishop” to do so.
“I am certain that the great renewal impulse of the Second Vatican Council is not being truly led forward and understood in its depth. We must further work on that,” he said. “Further adaptations of Church teachings are required.”
I recently reread Animal Farm and I can’t help but be reminded of the 7 Commandments:
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https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2...ge-in-tradition-ahead-of-celibacy-discussion/
 
The Pan-Amazonian synod in Oct. 2019 is where I suspect this and more things like this (deviating from the “classical position”) will be mainstreamed and/or enshrined.

The Amazon area will be used as the pretext for this and other changes in practice (in my opinion).

This will be very confusing to much of the faithful when done.

Thank you for posting FirstFiveEighth.

God bless.

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I read the article and do not believe a Cardinal is openly promoting relativism. So, I agree with you?

He said four words that sure seem to promote relativism (truth is not final), but the very next sentence makes it clear that he is not claiming truth is relative. Priestly celibacy is a legitimate topic of discussion. He is but one voice in the Church. I think I will see in what remains of my life some opening for established married men in limited circumstance. I do not think I will see any sort of end to priestly celibacy, or anyone living today will.

As to the result of this synod, any guessing is a tad premature.
 
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Sure, in regards to celibacy, but that is not all Cdl. Marx is talking about. It is only alluded to in the article but the German church is looking to introduce several new “developments“, many of which they have championed to the Pope. This includes communion for divorced and remarried couples and communion for Protestant spouses. Cdl. Marx, as head of their Bishop’s conference, has supported both of these. As a group the German bishops want to accommodate secular culture in an attempt to keep people in the pews. So when Cdl. Marx exclaims that he wants to develop teaching and change traditions, it is reasonable to interpret it in this light and in line with his past proposals that lessen the “burden” on Catholics.
 
Time will tell. I prefer not to jump to conclusions. Sufficient to the day are the worries thereof. With words like “alludes” and “interpret” it is too early to know the future, as well as being a loose foundation upon which to accuse any Cardinal of any heresy.
 
In politics, politicians often “test” public opinion before they introduce a novelty.

They call it “floating a balloon”.

We have been warned that at least some of these bishops will be mere “hirelings” or “hired hands”.

Quasi-politicians. (Or at least some act like that.)
JOHN 10:11-13 11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep.
So when he sees the wolf coming,
he abandons the sheep and runs away.
Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.
13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand
and cares nothing for the sheep.
As time goes on it will be more and more evident who the “hirelings” are. And who the hirelings are not.

I have seen lots of disciplinary-novelty balloons floated concerning the upcoming panamazonian synod. (Even ambiguity concerning faith and morals too. The good thing is, we have enough faith and morals explicitly stated, where it is usually easy to doctrinally discern which way to interpret ambiguities–at least if you are well catechized. Not a guarantee but a help to be sure.)

Naturally, I am concerned, when I hear of novelty being introduced or at least the perception of novelty any time.

Not just novelties at the upcoming panamazonian synod.

I will be watching carefully how the Bishops handle their Feb. 2019 Vatican meeting regarding the world-wide proliferation of homosexual bishop acting out problems and heterosexual as well. This will give me more insight as to “shepherds” vrs. “hirelings”.)

I’ll continue praying and have to see what happens–how our Lord handles these situations.
 
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At what point does adaptation become contradiction?
When "A’ becomes “not A” where the definition of “A” remains constant. The post above this gives pretty good advice. It is hard to top.
 
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If he is speaking in reference to priestly celibacy then he is speaking in reference to a discipline of the Church, not one of the commandments of God.
 
Cardinal Marx has called for ‘new thinking’ over the sexual scandal issue. His liberal perspective reflects pressure to end mandatory priestly celibacy, a contested issue since sexual freedom is a core principle of modern German culture. Catholics there have become skeptical of celibacy. Last November, the lay Central Committee of German Catholics voted to abolish mandatory celibacy for priests.

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/01/05/german-cardinal-marx-a-lightning-rod-in-franciss-papacy/

Controversy over sexual abstinence is nothing new in the history of the Church. The 10th century is claimed to be the high point of clerical marriage in the Latin communion. Most rural priests were married and many urban clergy and bishops had wives and children. The tendency of priests and bishops cohabitating with wives even in continence was taken up by the 11th century Gregorian Reform , which aimed at eliminating “Nicolaitism”, that is, clerical marriage and concubinage ― theoretically excluded but widely practiced. Clerical celibacy, despite wide opposition, was strongly supported.

New opposition appeared with the Protestant Reformation, since its leaders married. The Council of Trent in considering the matter decreed that marriage after ordination was invalid. It further declared in its CANON X.- “ If any one saith, that the marriage state is to be placed above the state of virginity, or of celibacy, and that it is not better and more blessed to remain in virginity, or in celibacy, than to be united in matrimony; let him be anathema.” CT24

https://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct24.html

Practically speaking, the main reasons for celibacy are given by the Apostle Paul in I Corinthians 7:7–8; 32–35:
“But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinks on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit. But she that is married thinks on the things of this world how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your profit, not to cast a snare upon you, but for that which is decent and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord without impediment.”

St Paul was himself unmarried, and knew well the graces and benefits of which he spoke. He challenged not only presbyters during his day, but devoted single men and women. He encouraged chastity for all who would serve the Lord with their whole body, mind, and spirit.

Is Cardinal Marx unaware of this ancient controversy when he asks for “new thinking”? He knows we stand in a great tradition but declares it’s incomplete. Having struggled for chaste celibacy since my youth, I beg to differ. It’s been a gracious, fulfilling experience.
 
poche . . .
. . . he is speaking in reference to a discipline of the Church . . .
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Yes. That is correct here. (At least that is the way I read this as well.)

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Cathoholic . . . .
I have seen lots of disciplinary-novelty
 
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