Cardinal Rampolla

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**There is a rumor being spread by Dimomd Bros., Craig Hiembichner, John Vennari and others that the great Cardinal Mario Rampolla del Tindero was somehow a ‘secret occult Mason’ and that he was in the OTO. If true(which it most certainly is not) this would completely destroy the reputations of Popes Leo XIII and Pius X as well as Cardinal Raphael Merry del Val and Francis Mac Nutt( author and Papal Chamberlain).

It is also incorrect to describe either Della Chiesa(anti-pope?) or Pacelli(anti-pope? or bad pope) as being of the ‘party’ of the great Cardinal. I hope no-one has fallen for this pack of lies. **
 
Hold on a moment, please.

While the Dimond brothers deserve to be ignored, the accusation against Cardinal Rampolla has nothing to do with them. It came from Mgr Ernest Jouin, who accused the cardinal before the conclave of 1903. This priest later published a journal called in French Revue Internationale des Societes Secretes. Mgr Jouin had the blessing of two popes, Pius XI and Benedict XV.

None of this is any reason to calumniate or disrespect any popes or dignify the sort of nonsense we have come to expect from the Dimond brothers.
 
**I believe you mean Pius X. At any rate, this is not an attack on msg Jouin–I am saying that he made a mistake as no-one gets everything right. Quoting Poncins-Freemasonry and Vatican pg19 ‘The only accusation that can be brought against him(Jouin) is that he was a man of great kindness; sometimes he was a little to kind in welcoming collabortors who were a little below the standards required for his magazine’. Msg Jouin was fed a fib. Anyone can type up an allegation and claim it’s a legitimate Masonic(they have been known to lie) document.

The bogus accusation against Card. Rampolla is also made by Piers Compton in The Broken Cross and in Chiron’s bio of Pius X that is pub by SSPX. Mr. Serpico(Omni Book Club) is also selling a tract by ‘Terminiello’ who is making the charge.

Sources used in refuting charge against the great Rampolla(who, like Card Raphael should have been Pope(this is not an attack on Pius X)
1)Francis Mac Nutt-Papal Chamberlain
2)Furey-Life Leo XIII
3)Sforza-Makers Modern Europe
4)Dal-Gal-Card Merry Del Valle
5)Quinn-Give Me Souls
6)Premoli-Contemporary Church History
7)Steed-Hapsburg Monarchy
8)Kertzer-Popes Against The Jews and Prisoner In Vatican
9)Fulop-Miller–Leo XIII
10)Sencourt-Genius Of Vatican
11)Sugrue-Popes In The Modern World

I am not all that familiar with the Dimond Bros outside of the beef they are having with Mr. Hobson re Fr. Feeney. I see nothing wrong with Fr Feeney : the dispute concerning method of baptism is minutae not worth worrying about at this point. It reminds me of the situation of Cards Pole, Morone and Contarini during the ‘Refomation’. Doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.

We as Catholics need very badly to start tackling the real issues such as Multiple Personality Disorder and how to rid the world of this Satanic Program. Sometimes MPD is referred to as Dissociative Identity Disorder. **
 
Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that he was elected Pope only to be vetoed by Franz Joseph through Prince Jan Maurycy Paweł Cardinal Puzyna de Kosielsko?
 
The Cardinal was not actually elected, but he should have been.

Before Pius IX died he issued documents that very clearly ended the Veto(which was only a priviledge) that was granted back in the days when all European sovereigns were Catholic. Franz-Joseph was a Catholic In name only and according to Mr Kertzer himself was ‘surrounded by Judaics’.
 
bpbasilphx said:
** I see nothing wrong with Fr Feeney**

Pope Pius XII did.
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In my view, Pius XII may well be an anti-pope. If not, he certainly belongs in catagory with Popes like Alex VI, Leo X, Clement VII and their ilk.
 
Well, if he wasn’t elected, why was the veto put against him?

I’m not a rad trad crank, I actually worship at an Eastern Catholic Church. But I am concerned about temporal powers meddling in Church affairs so recently.
 
**The alleged veto was pronounced when it LOOKED LIKE he was going to be elected. Pius X thought so highly of him that the Card was made Arch-Priest of Vatican Cathedral(personal charge of the tomb of St Peter). **
 
Volodymyr_988 said:
I’m not a rad trad crank, I actually worship at an Eastern Catholic Church.
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Comments like this only make the trads look better. Anyhow, it’s not the case that tales of Masonic prelates were invented by traditionalist nut jobs. Bl. Pius IX specifically endorsed a book that published evidence of a plot to infiltrate the church by the Alta Vendita, highest lodge of the Masonically affiliated carbonari.
 
If Rampolla hadn’t died we may not have had a current pope named B16
 
There is a little-known legal matter that actually lifts any excommunications, should there be any, against either the Cardinals taking part in the conclave or the elected Pope, just to avoid the very issue of validity. I forget the exact details.
 
Caesar said:
There is a little-known legal matter that actually lifts any excommunications, should there be any, against either the Cardinals taking part in the conclave or the elected Pope, just to avoid the very issue of validity. I forget the exact details.
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Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis by Pius XII, I believe.
 
Volodymyr_988 said:
Explain.
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Well, for one thing you have offered an occasion to show that concerns about Masonry and Masonic prelates are not kooky; they were shared by great popes like Bl. Pius IX, and for that matter great Ukrainian Catholics like Josyp Terelya. I might add that I have spoken with some converts from the Greek Orthodox who expressed the same sort of concern about their former church.

If I’m crazy, at least I’ll have some jolly good company in the nuthouse.
 
So the Masons were in cahoots with Emperor Franz Joseph to block an election of Cardinal Rampolla?:confused:
 
Volodymyr_988 said:
So they conspired to get St. Pius X elected?

:whacky:
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If Rampolla hadn’t suddenly died…or died for that matter. Della chiesa wouldn’t have become pope. I have read the old biography ob B15 and according to this book Della Chiesa was quite fond of Rompolla
 
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