Good Morning Dear!
Fine morning for some philosophy. Went on a long hike with an old friend yesterday, and we talked theology the whole time. We were so caught up in it that we missed a turning point and walked off the map we had. He has a much greater scope than I in theology, and he said that no two theologians agree on everything. It is such a freeing thing, Granny, to have the ability to let our minds go to whatever idea without thinking that one will get zapped by a bolt of lightning.
With a quick read, there is not a universal consensus on the “protogospel”, nor the meaning of Genesis 3:15. I understand now, though. You are saying that Jesus is the offspring, and He will crush satan’s head. There is a variety of interpretation of the passage among scholars.
CCC, 410-411:
IV. “YOU DID NOT ABANDON HIM TO THE POWER OF DEATH”
410 After his fall, man was not abandoned by God. On the contrary, God calls him and in a mysterious way heralds the coming victory over evil and his restoration from his fall.304 This passage in Genesis is called the Protoevangelium (“first gospel”): the first announcement of the Messiah and Redeemer, of a battle between the serpent and the Woman, and of the final victory of a descendant of hers.
411 The Christian tradition sees in this passage an announcement of the “New Adam” who, because he “became obedient unto death, even death on a cross”, makes amends superabundantly for the disobedience, of Adam.305 Furthermore many Fathers and Doctors of the Church have seen the woman announced in the Protoevangelium as Mary, the mother of Christ, the “new Eve”. Mary benefited first of all and uniquely from Christ’s victory over sin: she was preserved from all stain of original sin and by a special grace of God committed no sin of any kind during her whole earthly life.306
The “You did not abandon” line is from Eucharistic Prayer IV. Notice that it says “many Fathers”.
No God did not abandon Adam or humanity ,but He made Adam and humanity begin again from the bottom .
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Or is it scary to you, Granny? Can you hold my hand, and break bread together, even though opinions vary? No, I am not talking about having lunch. And no, I am not downplaying the sacred. Jesus broke bread with the disciples, and we are called to do the same.
I am going to repeat a question from a previous post:
Adam abandoned God? That, again, is also a new one to me. Adam stopped loving God and abandoned God: I understand the conclusion, but I don’t see Adam the same way. Can you understand the conclusion that Adam did not abandon God or stop loving God?
Oh, and if you want to get into this again, we can here, but feel free to invite me to one of your other threads to discuss it elsewhere:
Yes, a person can love God at the same time he
unwittingly rejects God. You may recall, I have yet to find an example of anyone ever knowingly and willingly rejecting God. I know, I know, Adam is omniscient, so such unwittingness is impossible. But remember: this makes Adam much more than an ordinary human, a fictitious figure. I am coming from “If Adam was an ordinary human…”
And think about it, Granny. If your mother had told you to do something, and you decided to do the opposite, would you indeed be
intending not to love? No, you love your mother, but you disagree with the rule, right? If you reject the rule, are you rejecting your mother altogether? When our children defy our rules, are they rejecting us altogether? Well, some parents may take it that way. I’m glad my parents aren’t like that!
Thanks, Granny!
