Cardinal Sarah speaks on a world that is rejecting God, a rot from Europe which it is seeking to spread everywhere

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“Africa and Asia are not yet entirely contaminated by gender ideology, transhumanism, or the hatred of fatherhood. But the Western powers’ neo-colonialist spirit and will to dominate pressures countries to adopt these deadly ideologies.”
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“Today the Church is living with Christ through the outrages of the Passion.”
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“I am convinced that western civilization is passing at present through a mortal crisis. It has reached the extreme of self-destructive hate. As during the fall of Rome, elites are only concerned to increase the luxury of their daily life and the peoples are being anesthetized by ever more vulgar entertainment. As a bishop, it is my duty to warn the West! The barbarians are already inside the city. The barbarians are all those who hate human nature, all those who trample upon the sense of the sacred, all those who do not value life…At the same time, the silent tragedy of abortion and euthanasia continue and pornography and gender ideology destroy children and adolescents. We are accustomed to barbarism. It doesn’t even surprise us anymore!”
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“But I would like to point out that everything is prepared for a renewal. I see families, monasteries, and parishes that are like oases in the middle of a desert.”
 
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Cardinal Sarah states ‘the West’

I disagree its origin is Europe. I see the rise of Secularism in many countries and would not just say its origin is Europe
 
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Amen to that. I will definitely be getting his book. I loved the Interview.
 
He might be following from Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI’s letter on the abuse crisis stemming from an ideology so sanguine with the sex revolution. Which it had it’s avalanche and cause spread throughout Europe. Which, interestingly, denotes what Our Lady said in Fatima: “Russia will spread her errors.”

And thus, she did in the West. But through the people who adopted them. Because, well their hearts are, to say the least, not even consecrated to the moral natural law of morality.

But you’re right. All countries share in the poisons of Russia. Which was systemic of the Socialist Revolution spread through the world. It’s a branded ideology of man that has undercut the Tradition of the Family. Each country has played in the demise of the family.

I’d say that probably from Cardinal Sarah’s perspective, it might be that in Africa and Asia, whilst it has it’s problems, socially also distressing the family. The main cultures (I mean the traditional African and Asian cultures) still hold onto the value of the family. Hence, why many who hold onto those values come to the U.S. and the Western World. To be able to live those traditions fuller and better than in the poverty of their own country.

The reality is, people in other countries have good traditional family values. The problem is they come from a country that, in the governing places of socio economic forum, do not align with those values. Hence, why migrants come to the U.S. and Europe alike.

id say works like the Gates Foundation that elevates promiscuity and population control (supposedly fighting STD’s and the AIDS through contraception.) Have tried to fend off illness and disease from spreading, but have undermined fidelity and spousalship in the home.

And, hence, plays in Cardinal Sarah’s and good people of Africa’s view and judgement about the West spreading rot.

If the West would actually help feed people in Africa, stop helping sex trafficking through contraception. And worked to give good medicine, clothing, and help shelter. Then I think the people of Africa will be helped with real true authentic Charity. However, it is also for the people of Africa (each country in Africa is different though.) But, in general view, they have to get over pride and prejudice of distrust to all people in the West. Not everyone from the West who offers to help wants to Colonize and use people as slaves. Yes, there are people. But not everyone.
 
This is the money quote:
We must be realistic and concrete. Yes, there are sinners. Yes, there are unfaithful priests, bishops, and even cardinals who fail to observe chastity. But also, and this is also very grave, they fail to hold fast to doctrinal truth! They disorient the Christian faithful by their confusing and ambiguous language. They adulterate and falsify the Word of God, willing to twist and bend it to gain the world’s approval. They are the Judas Iscariots of our time.
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Cardinal Sarah would do well to set his own house in order first. It is worth bearing in mind that Guinea-Conakry has one of the lowest literacy levels in the world, a high rate of FGM (amongst all religions), various human rights issues and government corruption (which would make most Western governments look angelic).
 
This isn’t just about Russia. There are plenty of capitalists who are living the secular good life.
The time for colonization is over. We get a lot of missionaries from African, Indian and Asian countries. Tables are turned, the west now gets and needs missionaries. As you say, each country is different.
There are people in every country with good family values and not so good family values.
Traditional doesn’t make it right or wrong. We are a modern world. We need to establish modern family values that will endure. We cannot say that people come to the West because of traditional values, the world is corrupt, it is secular, it is moving further and further from the law and will of God.
Christians, and Catholics are the rebellious minority and the sub culture now.

I often think that belief in God and love for God can be wiped out in a family within a generation. This is what we need to address, how do we turn this around. How will our Grandchildren be turned from the corruption of the secular world and follow God. Its a very tough ask today. We see it all the time in the generations of families. It is quite concerning.
 
In the West, we do not have Christianity being outlawed, nor do we have Communist or fascist oppression, nor are we a minority religion subject to violent attack.

Cardinal Sarah loses credibility when he does not seem to acknowledge the very real issues and risks of being a Catholic or even a Christian in places like China and India, and of course if one is in North Korea, religious practice is completely impossible. I’m sure there are other areas.

Africa is not without its problems either.
 
In the west we have
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boatloads of other rot,
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we have
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anti-Catholicism
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we have freedom of speech and political persuasion, so we have
those who follow ideology that is not capitalist nor democratic nor republic.

In the west we also have
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major lack of respect for human dignity
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and also we have
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actual barbarism.
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The west is a big place, it is not a cookie cutter world.
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minority religion subject to violent attack
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we are a minority , being Catholic and we have been subject to violent attack on an increasing frequency.

Look at a Western country like Northern Ireland. Try living as a Catholic in a Protestant town.

We need to mind our own issues and business and fix those before we start pointing fingers at other places.
 
If you think the situation in the West is anything like it is right now in China, India or North Korea for Catholics, then all I can say is, your perspective is way off.

I’m muting the thread now, as this has ceased to be a logical discussion.

Have a nice day
 
Tis_Bearself’s right. Christians in the West do not face “real” persecution like those in other parts of the world. A few isolated, hate-driven attacks, yes, but none of the government-ignored or even government-instigated, systematic, and savage repression of Christians as found in Saudi Arabia, China, and North Korea. At least in the West a Christian’s case can be taken to court. In Saudi it’s illegal for a Christian to take a Muslim to court, because somehow Arabia has managed to stay behind in the seventh century while the rest of the world progressed.
 
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Good day to you.
Muting is an agreeable option.

You are in my Easter prayers.
 
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This thread is not about ‘real’ persecution of Christians. That is totally off topic. The premise of this thread is a rot from Europe, - Europe being the West- spreading throughout the globe.
 
While it’s true that we all have the effects of original sin ,and of actual sin, in the West we have enough prosperity to have the free time to sit around thinking up the goofiest scenarios, and then spreading it among the populace.

This is one of the pitfalls of prosperity— the prideful assumption that we did it ourselves and know it all.
 
My attached neighbor several years ago was from Nigeria. She lost her entire family at once because they were Christians and the Muslims told them to
Renounce their faith. When they didn’t, they were beheaded with machetes. She was away from home working as a maid for a well off family. She was only 9 years old at the time. A cousin in the US adopted her a few years later. She would be the first to tell you about the rot in Nigeria.

The priest that “married” my husband and I was one of the many priests kidnapped and killed in Mexico a few years ago. (I say “married” because it was a renewal ceremony not an actual wedding). Mexico is considered the most dangerous place to be a Catholic priest.

Sometimes people overlook the troubles in their own backyards because it’s easier to see or admit to the troubles of their neighbors. Sometimes they will say that those problems are the fault of other people because that takes the responsibility of working towards a solution away from them and places it on someone else.

I hope and pray the good Cardinal isn’t doing that. I hope he sees the problems in his own home and has addressed them directly. The world has enough problems caused by all groups to share the burden instead of just finger pointing.
 
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