Cardinal Sarah vs Pope Francis....can someone please explain this to me?

[phil19034]

@R_H_Benson

I never said Cardinal Sarah was at fault. I meant there might be Priests
and Bishops who do not agree with Cardinal Sarah who are at fault.

There very well may be some clergy who are using Pope Francis to push their
agenda.

The Holy Father, in my opinion, might be a little naïve when dealing with
the “reformers,” like Pope Paul VI was

 

[2towers]

Dude! Best insult for a newspaper I’ve ever heard for a newspaper, fishwrap!

 

[Cthompson]

I haven’t really looked into this particular issue, but I can say with full confidence that I’ll take Cardinal Sarah’s side on basically any theological argument.

 

[JulianN]

This isn’t actually a theological issue though. This is something that is completely within papal authority to change or not.

 

[Cthompson]

This isn’t actually a theological issue though. This is something that is completely within papal authority to change or not.

Sure, that’s why I replied that I had not looked into the issue so far. But if I had to make an educated decision on whether to follow Pope Francis’s positions or Cardinal Sarah’s (the office of papacy aside), I think Cardinal Sarah is a much more theologically conservative and sturdy Catholic than Pope Francis. They both have made their theological positions very clear and I can say that I side with Cardinal Sarah.

this under no circumstances means that I do not respect papal authority … I believe Cardinal Sarah is a much more theologically sound priest than Pope Francis.

 

[pnewton]

I fail to see how it’s “bad manners” to issue a public correction when somebody rushed into print misinterpreting your document without doublechecking with you.

This was not a public correction. Even after being leaked, the magazine that first released this and all subsequent have acted in a decidedly non-Christlike manner with gossip and exaggeration. The letter was a correction, a clarification of terms. That is all.

I am slow to trust people who sow division.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

You say it’s not a “public correction”, then you say it’s a correction and it has obviously been published, so it is a “public correction”.

It may not have been made in any bad spirit the magazines cast on it, however, I’m sure the Pope realized it would go public in response to the public remarks he was correcting.

I’m not into division either, but a public correction is not necessarily a rebuke. It’s a need to set the record straight.

 

[pnewton]

You say it’s not a “public correction”, then you say it’s a correction and it has obviously been published, so it is a “public correction”.

It may not have been made in any bad spirit the magazines cast on it, however, I’m sure the Pope realized it would go public in response to the public remarks he was correcting.

Then call it a public correction based on the fact it was leaked if you want. It is just a word. But I have no idea how you can know what the Pope thought.

I have my own quirks, like talking about others concerning things that are no one else’s business, is gossip.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I picture the Pope as someone with management and people skills, judgment and foresight, who knows he is in the public eye and that division sowers are out there.

If my CEO at work, or a world leader, would reasonably see a possibility or risk, I presume the Pope would also see it. If he did not, he is surrounded by smart advisors who I hope would tell him.

 

[twf]

Yet the Pope himself gave an extensive interview to America. Your condemnation thus means absolutely nothing.
I too am uncomfortable with some of the positions expressed by some of the Jesuits associated with America (even the Pope’s comments can give me pause at times)…but it is officially sanctioned and to compare it to the National Catholic Reporter (or as you call it Fishwrap) goes way too far.

 

[Mark121359]

While it might be true that “traditional catholics” want their very own church tradition, it’s not true that the Latin Rite desires their expulsion.

Wait a second. You just got done spending four posts explaining that there’s no such thing as traditional catholics. So…which is it?

 

[Duesenberg]

Wait a second. You just got done spending four posts explaining that there’s no such thing as traditional catholics. So…which is it?

There isn’t in the eyes of the Church, but there are members of the faithful, at least in the USA that term themselves (note the quotations) “traditional catholics.”