Cardinal says: Communion - On the tongue and while kneeling

[Irishgal49]

What Jesus would want versus what the liturgy cops would want? Cops win every time. Sad commentary on the state of the faithful.

God knows my heart and I am not going to stand at the altar and look like I’m being disrespectful. Some of the disabled sit in the front row but I watch how everyone glares at them when the priest bypasses the “line” and goes and serves them.

I know they are wrong for acting that way but I don’t want to draw attention to myself and I don’t like giving people reasons to be angry when they should be focussing on the sacrament. I am perfectly capable of reading my Bible or praying.

I am for the change, don’t get me wrong. I just can sit in my seat.

 

[paperwight66]

Some of the disabled sit in the front row but I watch how everyone glares at them when the priest bypasses the “line” and goes and serves them.

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if your interpretation of how they are looking is correct, I am absolutely, completely shocked. I have never, ever seen anyone glare at those who have communion brought to them.

Are you absolutely, absolutely sure?

 

[Irishgal49]

Irishgal49;8195957:

Some of the disabled sit in the front row but I watch how everyone glares at them when the priest bypasses the “line” and goes and serves them.

I QUOTE]

if your interpretation of how they are looking is correct, I am absolutely, completely shocked. I have never, ever seen anyone glare at those who have communion brought to them.

Are you absolutely, absolutely sure?

POSITIVE, one woman rolled her eyes and sighed.

 

[Irishgal49]

Irishgal49;8195957:

Some of the disabled sit in the front row but I watch how everyone glares at them when the priest bypasses the “line” and goes and serves them.

I QUOTE]

if your interpretation of how they are looking is correct, I am absolutely, completely shocked. I have never, ever seen anyone glare at those who have communion brought to them.

Are you absolutely, absolutely sure?

Oh and one morning we had 3 people in wheelchairs who are brought in by their caregivers and when the priest went to serve them an older man 1/2 way back in line said, “What’s the hold up anyway? Oh, that figures.” I guess for some it’s like a bank line.

 

[MusicMan]

God knows my heart and I am not going to stand at the altar and look like I’m being disrespectful.

If God knows your heart, what does it matter if you receive standing because you physically cannot kneel? It’s about your relationship with God, not about what the people around you think.

I just can sit in my seat.

You needn’t punish yourself for your disability by denying yourself the Lord. Let the others worry about themselves.

 

[Oneofthewomen]

God knows my heart and I am not going to stand at the altar and look like I’m being disrespectful. Some of the disabled sit in the front row but I watch how everyone glares at them when the priest bypasses the “line” and goes and serves them.

I know they are wrong for acting that way but I don’t want to draw attention to myself and I don’t like giving people reasons to be angry when they should be focussing on the sacrament. I am perfectly capable of reading my Bible or praying.

I am for the change, don’t get me wrong. I just can sit in my seat.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE talk to your priest about this.

These attitudes are the problems of others, NOT YOU, and you should not have deal with them!

 

[Irishgal49]

If God knows your heart, what does it matter if you receive standing because you physically cannot kneel? It’s about your relationship with God, not about what the people around you think.

You needn’t punish yourself for your disability by denying yourself the Lord. Let the others worry about themselves.

Because I watch the Eucharistic Ministers standing at the altar waiting for the priest to serve himself and the altar servers and it looks disrespectful to me. It IS how I feel.

 

[eegardner]

Because of Army injuries, I am not able to kneel. I do not kneel in the pews during the consecration or at any other time. If the Church decides to require that all kneel to receive I will not kneel then. I would love to be able to for several reasons. I will however still receive. I will not let looks, comments or the attitude of others prevent me from receiving the greatest gift of the Eucharist. It may never come to this, but if it does, do not let these things prevent you either.

 

[Irishgal49]

Because of Army injuries, I am not able to kneel. I do not kneel in the pews during the consecration or at any other time. If the Church decides to require that all kneel to receive I will not kneel then. I would love to be able to for several reasons. I will however still receive. I will not let looks, comments or the attitude of others prevent me from receiving the greatest gift of the Eucharist. It may never come to this, but if it does, do not let these things prevent you either.

Thank you SO MUCH for your service to our country. God bless you!

 

[At_Trent]

I can’t find a link to the actually speech, but there is this, which was given as a link by the blogger you quoted:

kreuz.net/article.13469.html

So how did you determine the Cardinal was mis-quoted ?

 

[At_Trent]

Because of Army injuries, I am not able to kneel. I do not kneel in the pews during the consecration or at any other time. If the Church decides to require that all kneel to receive I will not kneel then. I would love to be able to for several reasons. I will however still receive. I will not let looks, comments or the attitude of others prevent me from receiving the greatest gift of the Eucharist. It may never come to this, but if it does, do not let these things prevent you either.

I think in the real world, no one who can’t kneel is ever looked down on at Mass. Even the pope, who wants those receiving from him to kneel, will give Communion to those standing if they can’t kneel. I’ve seen photos of him doing it.

It really should go without saying, that in these threads where we bicker over this topic, that those who can’t kneel are not a problem, whatever side of the argument one is on.

God Bless you for your service to our country.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

So, here’s the deal gang. My username is MusicMan for a reason. I go where the gigs are, regardless of denomination. If they pay, I’ll play.

Our ELCA-flavored Lutheran brethren? Receive on the knees at the rail. In every ELCA church that’s employed me or I’ve attended worship at (I have some family in the ELCA).

Our Episcopal brethren? For all the goofballness of the liberal side of them, and all the pathos this cause the conservative side, I’ve not yet played for an ECUSA parish that doesn’t receive on the knees at the rail.

What’s our deal? Many of their churches are configured in the traditional manner, many in the contemporary. Yet, they receive on their knees at the rail.

This is quite true. It’s one reason that I’m impatient with “traditionalists” who like to assert that reception in procession (standing) is “Protestant.” In the liturgical tradition (Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans, etc.), the custom was to kneel at the altar rail. I was five years an Episcopalian and the ONLY time I ever received in procession (standing) was at two seperate diocesan conventions. The rest of the time, kneeling at an altar rail.

In the anabaptist/Calvinist/fundamentalist/evangelical/pentecostal tradition (I was raised a Southern Baptist), the tradition is to sit in you pews and when the elements of the Lord’s Supper are passed, to self-communicate and then pass the tray to the next person. We never stood.

I don’t know what the Anglicans/Episcopalians do NOW (and nothing would surprise me), but the overwhelming number of Protestants that I know would be amused (or possibly offended) if anyone told them they were receiving the Eucharist/Lord’s Supper like Catholics.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

So how did you determine the Cardinal was mis-quoted ?

I can make enough sense out of it (though it’s been years since I took German) to know he never used the word condemn or “Calvin box.” Of course, if you don’t believe me, you can find an online translation machine and type the article into it a sentence or a paragraph at a time.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

I think in the real world, no one who can’t kneel is ever looked down on at Mass. Even the pope, who wants those receiving from him to kneel, will give Communion to those standing if they can’t kneel. I’ve seen photos of him doing it.

It really should go without saying, that in these threads where we bicker over this topic, that those who can’t kneel are not a problem, whatever side of the argument one is on.

God Bless you for your service to our country.

And this is certainly true. To receive the Sacrament is the most important thing. If one cannot kneel, provision will be made. If one is in a wheelchair, provision will be made. If one is flat on one’s back in a hospital, provision will be made. Holy Mother Church is the mirror of the Holy One’s Mercy and Compassion.

 

[Oneofthewomen]

I think in the real world, no one who can’t kneel is ever looked down on at Mass. Even the pope, who wants those receiving from him to kneel, will give Communion to those standing if they can’t kneel. I’ve seen photos of him doing it.

It really should go without saying, that in these threads where we bicker over this topic, that those who can’t kneel are not a problem, whatever side of the argument one is on.

God Bless you for your service to our country.

In the real world I don’t think any priest would look down on anyone, but the laity, well, that is a horse of a different color.

I myself have been accosted by the “liturgy cops” because of how I genuflect. A couple of other people in this thread have also related incidents where lay people have been judgemental, impatient and down-right rude.

There are some people, who even though they know they should not let what others think bother them, still let it because of insecurities, doubts or lack of education. We are Christians, so we should be acting more like Christ

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Because I watch the Eucharistic Ministers standing at the altar waiting for the priest to serve himself and the altar servers and it looks disrespectful to me. It IS how I feel.

If we ever get around to altar rails, I doubt you’ll see any Eucharistic Ministers except for the priest! Please don’t worry.

 

[estesbob]

Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera, prefect of the Vatican’s Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, has recommended that Catholics receive Communion on the tongue, while kneeling.
“It is to simply know that we are before God himself and that He came to us and that we are undeserving,” the cardinal said in an interview with CNA during a recent visit to Peru. His remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

The rest of the article:

calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=a0a3cf49-ad3e-442c-88d4-97ce6e70f06e

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Although I much prefer to receive in the hand if the church mandates we receive communion on the tongue while kneeling I will humbly comply, and I will not constantly complain about the church changing things and about how the old way was better.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Although I much prefer to receive in the hand if the church mandates we receive communion on the tongue while kneeling I will humbly comply, and I will not constantly complain about the church changing things and about how the old way was better.

By gum, back in the good old days, when Mass was in Aramaic…

 

[MissRose73]

If churches set up a few kneelers like the EF parishes I attend where you go up and kneel, then the priest gives you Communion with his server nearby then it can be done. Most new churches don’t have altar rails, but many old churches may still.

I would have no issues with receiving while kneeling and on tongue but a kneeler or similar best be available as I have bad knees (and I am not alone on that).

 

[YoungTradCath]

I don’t see what the big deal is. Why does America have to be different? We’re too used to getting what we want. It’s what’s crippling our nation in every way.
I don’t, in principle, have a problem with communion in the hand and standing, but it’s the circumstances surrounding it that I have a problem with. Again I ask, why do we have to be different here in America? Why can’t we just follow what most of the Catholic world does? I’d like to see the reaction of a foreign Catholic visiting America attending Mass.