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THE leader of Scotland’s Catholics has risked reigniting a row over married priests by predicting the Vatican will eventually relent and allow the practice.

Cardinal Keith O’Brien, the Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh, said the success of married deacons in the church means the change is likely.

The church leader has upset traditional Catholics in the past with his views on celibacy, homosexuality and the priesthood.

His latest comments were made in an interview with the Catholic Times, which will be published on Sunday,

Asked if he believed married priests will become a reality, he said: “Having seen something of the apostolate of married deacons, I can foresee the day when there will be married priests.”

The Cardinal has angered conservative Catholics in the past with his acceptance of gay priests, as long as they remained celibate.

However, since being elevated to the College of Cardinals he has espoused views more in line with Vatican teachings. Cardinal O’Brien’s latest comments drew criticism from the right-wing Catholic Truth movement.

A spokesman for the group said: “He is trying to say that he is not necessarily personally in favour of this but we can debate it. It’s a sleekit way of trying to have his cake and eat it.”

However, a poll of 80 Catholic priests in Scotland conducted only last month suggested 40 per cent believed they should be allowed to marry, but the issue remains thorny to many conservative Catholics.

Cardinal O’Brien gained a reputation as a liberal after he said in 2002, before he became a cardinal, that he saw no end to theological argument against celibacy within the priesthood. . . .
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Here is the good Cardinal’s “Profession of Faith” taken Tuesday 7th October 2003 at St. Mary’s Cathedral, Edinburgh in the presence of the Metropolitan Cathedral chapter on the occassion of the installation of the Reverend John Agnew, to the cathedral chapter. (from the Bishops’ Conference of Scotland, Scottish Catholic Media Office)

" 1. Recitation of Creed by Cardinal Designate O’Brien and Canon Elect Agnew.
I, Keith Patrick O’Brien/John Agnew, with firm faith, believe and profess all and Everything contained in the Creed. I believe is One God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of Heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.

I believe is One Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God. Eternally begotten of the Father. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, Begotten, not made; of one Being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from Heaven: By the power of the Holy Spirit he became Incarnate from the Virgin Mary and was made Man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate: He suffered death and was buried. On the third day, He rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the Right Hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, And his Kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life,
Who proceeds from the Father and Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified;
He has spoken through the Prophets.

I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
I look for the Resurrection of the dead,
and life of the world to come. Amen.
  1. Further Profession of Faith of Cardinal Designate Keith Patrick O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh, made in St Mary’s Cathedral Edinburgh on Tuesday 7th October 2003.
    Furthermore, I having been called to be Cardinal by pope John Paul II, state that I firmly hold and maintain all and everything taught by the Holy Catholic Church concerning faith and morals, whether solemnly defined or asserted as part of her ordinary Magisterium, especially those doctrines touching the mystery of the Church as the Body of Christ, the Sacraments, the sacrifice of the Mass and the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.
I further state that I accept and intend to defend the law on ecclesiastical celibacy as it is proposed by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church; I accept and promise to defend the ecclesiastical teaching about the immorality of the homosexual act; I accept and promise to promulgate always and everywhere what the Church’s Magisterium teaches on contraception. So help me God and these Holy Scriptures which I touch with my hand.
  1. Further Profession of Faith by new Canon, Canon John Agnew, before the Metropolitan Cathedral Chapter and the Assembled congregation.
    Furthermore, I firmly hold and maintain all and everything taught by the Holy Catholic Church concerning faith and morals, whether solemnly defined or asserted as part of her ordinary Magisterium; especially those doctrines touching the Mystery of The Church as the Body of Christ, the Sacraments, the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Primacy of the Roman Pontiff. As an elected member of this Cathedral Chapter, I will respect and be bound by its statutes. I will follow its liturgical practices, and I promise to observe the confidentiality of its meetings as the Archbishop or Chapter shall determine. So help me God and these holy scriptures which I touch with my hand."
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Ignoring the press editorialization, here is the cardinal’s quote:
“Having seen something of the apostolate of married deacons, I can foresee the day when there will be married priests.”
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Obvious heresy. I say burn him at the stake. :whacky:
 
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katherine2:
Ignoring the press editorialization, here is the cardinal’s quote:

Obvious heresy. I say burn him at the stake. :whacky:
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Burning heretics at the stake is against the will of the holy spirit. Leo X condemned it in his papal bull accusing Martin Luther of 41 charges of heresy.
 
I have heard something about this “cardinal”, please resignation, already.
 
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bones_IV:
Burning heretics at the stake is against the will of the holy spirit. Leo X condemned it in his papal bull.
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Leo was clearly a wimpy liberal. Modernist. Liturgical Dancer.
 
Time for the primetime show “The Apprentice” Vatican version? Each show, round up the dissenting/heretical clergy/religious, let them compete for the best rationale for dissent, then have our dear Pope pronounce each week to the worst offender “Your fired!”. I bet it would get top ratings. :hmmm:
 
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felra:
Time for the primetime show “The Apprentice” Vatican version? Each show, round up the dissenting/heretical clergy/religious, let them compete for the best rationale for dissent, then have our dear Pope pronounce each week to the worst offender “Your fired!”. I bet it would get top ratings. :hmmm:
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Yeah. And let’s do the re-runs too!.

How about the episode with Father John Courtney Murray being fired? Or the one with those dissenters suggesting Gothic as well as Fiddleback vestments could be used getting fired?
 
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bones_IV:
Burning heretics at the stake is against the will of the holy spirit. Leo X condemned it in his papal bull accusing Martin Luther of 41 charges of heresy.
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Actually, I think Leo X was saying the exact opposite, that it is NOT against the will of the holy spirit to burn heretics. Now that is a tough pope! :eek:

The text can be found here:

papalencyclicals.net/Leo10/l10exdom.htm

(point 33 in the list of errors)

Jimmy Akin talks about this issue at:

catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0109bt.asp
 
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QDude:
Actually, I think Leo X was saying the exact opposite, that it is NOT against the will of the holy spirit to burn heretics. Now that is a tough pope! :eek:
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I agree completely with Leo X 👍

Heresy is a very serious crime, approaching the seriousness of crimes like murder or rape so it can potentially merit the death penalty. That doesn’t mean of course it is always a good idea to administer the death penalty in cases of heresy as it may cause more harm than good to do it. But there’s nothing in principle against it provided it is necessary for the moral defense of society and bloodless or more merciful means are not sufficient to protect it.
 
The Cardinal isn’t saying that he won’t defend the current Church law, he’s just saying it may change some day in the future. There is nothing heretical or heterodox about that. Even HOPING for it to change is not heretical or heterodox.
 
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Franze:
I have heard something about this “cardinal”, please resignation, already.
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The sad part about his selection is that Conti is sitting there in Scotland and was eminently suited for the job. Unfortunately the “tradition” was followed – that is, the cities of Glasgow and Edinburgh alternate between getting the red hat. I hope this ends with this man’s elevation to the episcopacy – he made statements before he was elevated, and while he was in Rome getting his red hat, which could not help but lead one to think that here was a “loose cannon”.
 
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