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Watching Fr. Benedict Groeschel’s, “Sunday Night Live”, he stated that Carman Burana by Carl Orff is demonic music. Can anybody give me some opinions on this?
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thechrismyster
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if by demonic he meant overused in every horror movie and suspense scene every shot on film… then a resounding yes.
otherwise, it’s no more demonic than any other piece of music.
read for yourself…
Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi (Fortune, Empress of the World)
O Fortuna (Chorus) (the bold words are the english translation)
O Fortuna **O Fortune, **velut luna **like the moon statu variabilis, you are changeable, **semper crescis **ever waxing **aut decrescis; **and waning; **vita detestabilis **hateful life **nunc obdurat **first oppresses **et tunc curat **and then soothes **ludo mentis aciem, **as fancy takes it; **egestatem, **poverty **potestatem **and power **dissolvit ut glaciem. **it melts them like ice. Sors immanis Fate - monstrous et inanis, and empty, rota tu volubilis, you whirling wheel, **status malus, **you are malevolent, **vana salus well-being is vainsemper dissolubilis, **and always fades to nothing, **obumbrata **shadowed **et velata and **veiled **michi quoque niteris; **you plague me too;**nunc per ludum **now through the game **dorsum nudum **I bring my bare back **fero tui sceleris. **to your villainy. **Sors salutis **Fate is against me **et virtutis **in health **michi nunc contraria, **and virtue, **est affectus **driven on **et defectus **and weighted down, semper in angaria. always enslaved. Hac in hora So at this hour **sine mora **without delay corde pulsum tangite; pluck the vibrating strings; quod per sortem since Fate **sternit fortem, **strikes down the string man, **mecum omnes plangite! everyone weep with me!
The title “Carmina Burana” literally means ‘songs of Beuren’ and was given by Johann Andreas Schmeller to his complete edition (1847) of the poems contained in an early 13th-century German manuscript (found in 1803) from the Benedictine abbey of Benediktbeuern, south of Munich in the Bavarian region.
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otherwise, it’s no more demonic than any other piece of music.
read for yourself…
Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi (Fortune, Empress of the World)
O Fortuna (Chorus) (the bold words are the english translation)
O Fortuna **O Fortune, **velut luna **like the moon statu variabilis, you are changeable, **semper crescis **ever waxing **aut decrescis; **and waning; **vita detestabilis **hateful life **nunc obdurat **first oppresses **et tunc curat **and then soothes **ludo mentis aciem, **as fancy takes it; **egestatem, **poverty **potestatem **and power **dissolvit ut glaciem. **it melts them like ice. Sors immanis Fate - monstrous et inanis, and empty, rota tu volubilis, you whirling wheel, **status malus, **you are malevolent, **vana salus well-being is vainsemper dissolubilis, **and always fades to nothing, **obumbrata **shadowed **et velata and **veiled **michi quoque niteris; **you plague me too;**nunc per ludum **now through the game **dorsum nudum **I bring my bare back **fero tui sceleris. **to your villainy. **Sors salutis **Fate is against me **et virtutis **in health **michi nunc contraria, **and virtue, **est affectus **driven on **et defectus **and weighted down, semper in angaria. always enslaved. Hac in hora So at this hour **sine mora **without delay corde pulsum tangite; pluck the vibrating strings; quod per sortem since Fate **sternit fortem, **strikes down the string man, **mecum omnes plangite! everyone weep with me!
The title “Carmina Burana” literally means ‘songs of Beuren’ and was given by Johann Andreas Schmeller to his complete edition (1847) of the poems contained in an early 13th-century German manuscript (found in 1803) from the Benedictine abbey of Benediktbeuern, south of Munich in the Bavarian region.
Classical Net Redirectorff-cb/carmlyr.html
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ishnianqueen
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I’ve listened to Orff’s Carmina Burana, and it’s no more demonic than Mussorgsky’s *Night on Bald Mountain *or Grieg’s *In the Hall of the Mountain King *musically. Lyrically…well, after checking the lyrics (written in Latin…really, who uses Latin anymore? 
and then a little German, too), they seem to be slightly based on Greek mythology. So…perhaps pagan, but I doubt that by listening to Orff you’re going to want to make some sort of weird demonic ritual.
and then a little German, too), they seem to be slightly based on Greek mythology. So…perhaps pagan, but I doubt that by listening to Orff you’re going to want to make some sort of weird demonic ritual.
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J.R
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He had mentioned that the monks had been excommunicated.
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cecilia97
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What I’ve always understood about Carmina Burana is that the texts were taken from love poems (some erotic) that monks and/or scribes had written in the margins of sacred books they were transcribing. That might make it off limits for some people, or bring the monk’s vocations into question, but I don’t think necessarily makes it “demonic”.
As a music lover I think it’s beautiful, and probably no more scandalous than any other work that exaults wordly things.
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estesbob
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Not unless the Governor of California is a demon:
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Amateur_Soul
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Fr. Groeschel can be a bit dramatic sometimes.
I think the music sounds menacing and as previously quoted has been OVERUSED in the types of movies that display sinister subjects but in truth, the music is just music and while it may be not exactly of Church standards for music (i.e. it’s no Palestrina Mass) it is just musical imagery.
Now the lyrics – one could argue that they are equivalent to 13th century (?) rock and roll and could be considered explicit by some standards, the 13th century for example, and they are very secular. I have read that some of the lyrics parody and satirize the clergy of the time so in this sense one should not be completely unguarded when reading the words (or listening to them if you understand latin).
I think the music sounds menacing and as previously quoted has been OVERUSED in the types of movies that display sinister subjects but in truth, the music is just music and while it may be not exactly of Church standards for music (i.e. it’s no Palestrina Mass) it is just musical imagery.
Now the lyrics – one could argue that they are equivalent to 13th century (?) rock and roll and could be considered explicit by some standards, the 13th century for example, and they are very secular. I have read that some of the lyrics parody and satirize the clergy of the time so in this sense one should not be completely unguarded when reading the words (or listening to them if you understand latin).
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Julianna
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Same song was used in the movie Excalibur. Kept me on the edge of my seat in '81.
Yeah, this music is over used in horror films…but after reading the english lyrics it reminded me of this:
“Cold hearted orb that rules the night, removes the colors from our sight, red is gray and yellow white, but we decide which is right and which is an illusion.”
If you were young in the late 60’s and early 70’s…you will know where this came from.
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Em_in_FL
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I agree… I’ve heard the same history on the piece…
We never go to the Opera… but when this came through our local theater last year, DH and I grabbed up tickets right away…
I LOVE Carmina Burana just for the music… it’s gorgeous, powerful music! It was a great opera!
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Julianna
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excellent album…thanks bob…
I actually like the music that is played in midevil set movies…like Excalibur…and Robin Hood…
I think there is a danger when someone with religious priviledge forms and opinion on movies, books, and music. Dare to think for yourself. just my humble opinion
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brotherhrolf
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Demonic? NO! The good Father has obviously not listened to all of Carmina Burana - which can properly be classified as a cantata not an opera BTW. Orff was celebrated for his use of rythym - and well known for his method to teach kids rythym. He wrote a sequel to Carmina Burana, De Temporum Fine Comoedia (Comedy at the end of time) which came out on LP back in the 70s. I discoverd Orff in the early 70s. (Deutsche Grammophone produced the finest classical LPs back then). It is powerful music but certainly not demonic. Father needs to listen to the Rolling Stones for demonic music
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LilyM
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Hey I love that beer ad
and of course there have been lots of parodies of this ad, that is obviously a parody in itself.Carmina Burana sounds like it is somewhat scandalous, probably on the level of Elvis. Hardly demonic, but to be treated with a little caution. I too absolutely love it.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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I’ve listened to Orff’s Carmina Burana, and it’s no more demonic than Mussorgsky’s *Night on Bald Mountain *or Grieg’s *In the Hall of the Mountain King *musically. Lyrically…well, after checking the lyrics (written in Latin…really, who uses Latin anymore?
I think for a lot people anything is “demonic” that is unfamiliar to them.
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4HisChurch
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I must say, I love Fr. Benedict Groschel and I love the music to Carmina Burana. My husband played the peice in college and it was quite beautiful.
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