Carmelite Habit

[Revs96]

Does anybody know if laypeople who are in the scapular confraternity or are third order Carmelites are ever allowed to wear the Carmelite habit? Back in the day, members of confraternities (not just Carmelites) wore robes similar to the habits of the order the confraternity was a part of. Some confraternities (especially in Italy and Spain) still dress in full robes to this day. The small scapular of lay Carmelites and confraternity members is essentially the same as the large scapular, but are we ever allowed to wear the full version? I’m not talking about on a regular basis, but during liturgies, processions and the like. I heard somewhere that lay Carmelites can be buried in the full habit but can’t remember the details.

 

[fabricdragon]

good question.
i have no idea… but i do know that the Carmelite nuns i buy my scapulars from have a larger (like one foot across) version…

sistersofcarmel.com/brown-scapulars-brown-scapular-of-our-lady-of-mount-carmel.php
and they have a contact me form.
if you do find the answer i would be interested to know

 

[Bookcat]

Does anybody know if laypeople who are in the scapular confraternity or are third order Carmelites are ever allowed to wear the Carmelite habit? Back in the day, members of confraternities (not just Carmelites) wore robes similar to the habits of the order the confraternity was a part of. Some confraternities (especially in Italy and Spain) still dress in full robes to this day. The small scapular of lay Carmelites and confraternity members is essentially the same as the large scapular, but are we ever allowed to wear the full version? I’m not talking about on a regular basis, but during liturgies, processions and the like. I heard somewhere that lay Carmelites can be buried in the full habit but can’t remember the details.

Tertiaries have a large ceremonial scapular…worn at meetings etc

I believe that it may still be the case that one may be buried in the Habit.

Various confraternities …in Europe have various ‘full’ clothing that is worn at processions etc…i imagine some of the Carmelite ones have such there…

 

[Bookcat]

found the statutes for one of the provinces in the US for the Discalced…

V. THE SECULAR ORDER HABIT (Cf. Rule, Art 7, pt 2)

1. The large Ceremonial Brown Scapular shall continue to be given as the habit of the Secular Order at the time of admission to Formation.
2. A smaller brown scapular is worn for everyday use. (Cf. Art. 7).
3. If a member wishes to be buried with the ceremonial scapular, worn externally, prior arrangements should be made with the member’s family or closest associates.

 

[Revs96]

Gratias omnes.

It appears that those who profess the vows wear the full habit daily, lay members wear it ceremonially with the small scapular daily, and confrateres wear the robes with the small scapular daily.

 

[thomas_jd]

Only at death to a professed Carmelite can they be worn.

 

[Bookcat]

Gratias omnes.

It appears that those who profess the vows wear the full habit daily, lay members wear it ceremonially with the small scapular daily, and confrateres wear the robes with the small scapular daily.

Religious …wear the Religious Habit.
Tertiaries…wear the Tertiary Habit (which IS the scapular)…either in the larger ceremonial or smaller form.

Confraternity members wear the smaller form and or perhaps some other clothing as is customary in their country for processions etc.

Religious are profess the public vows.
Tertiaries make promises…though some add a kind of private vows.

Religious are part of “consecrated life” and are members of the Order.
Tertiaries are secular persons…called to be in the world…and are members of the Order.

 

[maryoht]

Does anybody know if laypeople who are in the scapular confraternity or are third order Carmelites are ever allowed to wear the Carmelite habit? Back in the day, members of confraternities (not just Carmelites) wore robes similar to the habits of the order the confraternity was a part of. Some confraternities (especially in Italy and Spain) still dress in full robes to this day. The small scapular of lay Carmelites and confraternity members is essentially the same as the large scapular, but are we ever allowed to wear the full version? I’m not talking about on a regular basis, but during liturgies, processions and the like. I heard somewhere that lay Carmelites can be buried in the full habit but can’t remember the details.

Yes only when you died.

 

[maryoht]

Yes only when you died.

If you are Lay Carmelite or a Secular Carmelite when you died you can wear the Habit.