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Attn: Carmelites or anyone else “in the know,”

Does anyone have information about the status of the Carmelite Proper of the Liturgy of the Hours in English?
Every place that sells it says it is out of print.
Does anyone have any idea why this is so, and if there are any plans to republish/reprint it?
It’s pretty much impossible to get on Ebay- I saw a copy for sale there once and the bidding was fast and furious, quickly exceeding my budget.
As a lay Carmelite novice, I’d like to celebrate the feasts of the saints of our order, but can’t find the proper texts. As it is the only thing I can do is celebrate the Commons substituting the saint’s name in the generic prayer for that Common.
Any help is appreciated.
 
Yes, from what I’m told it’s out of print. My Secular community uses this website which maintains the Carmelite Propers:

www.ctocds.com

Click on “Liturgical Texts” and after that click on “Discalced Carmelite Proper for the LOTH.”

This site seems to go down a lot. If you’re able to connect to it, I highly recomend downloading the entire pdf of the propers (about 2-3MB) . . . it will save you a lot of hassles if you can’t connect at a later time.

If you’re not able to get to this pdf, feel free to PM with your email and I’ll be happy to send it to you.

Dave
 
This site appears to have an updated Carmelite Supplement for sale. They do ship to the US and I would imagine that the exchange rate would apply when using a credit card. Let us know if you are able to obtain it, and what the UK rate translates to in our currency. Thanks.
 
Hello,

That link no longer seems to be active for the Carmelite Propers.

Can anyone tell me where to get them?

Thanks so much!

Diane
 
Also be aware that the Discalced Carmelites (O.C.D.) have their own propers and the Carmelites (O.Carm.) have their own propers. While we share some others are different.

We do have one book that lists both but it is out of print and I am not aware of any plans to have a new printing done.
 
DMF said:
Hello,

That link no longer seems to be active for the Carmelite Propers.

Can anyone tell me where to get them?

Thanks so much!

Diane
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Unfortunately, the book of the Propers (for O.C.D.S.) is both out-of-print and out-of-stock from sources that previously had it available. (I was able to get a few for my Community before the drought). You can, though, find the propers on-line to download here:

ocdsbrighton.blogspot.com/search/label/PROPER%20of%20%20CarmeliteSaints
 
ByzCath said:
We do have one book that lists both but it is out of print and I am not aware of any plans to have a new printing done.
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This is very helpful to know! What determines which are shared…for example, St. Edith Stein. Would she be in both, and what would determine that?

Thank you!
 
FCEGM said:
Unfortunately, the book of the Propers (for O.C.D.S.) is both out-of-print and out-of-stock from sources that previously had it available. (I was able to get a few for my Community before the drought). You can, though, find the propers on-line to download here:

ocdsbrighton.blogspot.com/search/label/PROPER%20of%20%20CarmeliteSaints
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This is a tremendous help. I see one of the files is in Word Perfect Format and the others are in Word format. When I open the .wpd file, it’s all scrambled, so I wouldn’t be able to print it. Do you know whether this has been addressed and there’s a way to get it in Word? Thanks so much for this great information!
 
DMF said:
This is a tremendous help. I see one of the files is in Word Perfect Format and the others are in Word format. When I open the .wpd file, it’s all scrambled, so I wouldn’t be able to print it. Do you know whether this has been addressed and there’s a way to get it in Word? Thanks so much for this great information!
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DMF, I’d not visited that site before doing a search yesterday, so I don’t know what the situation is with the .wpd file. Is there a contact person for the site? I hope you can get this resolved! 🙂
 
I have the O. Carm. propers on my computer in booklet form and can send them to those interested for the nominal fee (for materials) of $1.25 per copy plus S&H. PM me if you are interested. 🙂
 
DMF said:
This is very helpful to know! What determines which are shared…for example, St. Edith Stein. Would she be in both, and what would determine that?

Thank you!
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The proper calendars for the O.C.D. and the O.Carm.'s have much in common, but are distinct. There is a very nice .pdf of both calendars which can be printed out and folded to fit in your breviary:

ocdwest.org/OCDCalendar.pdf

God bless,

Fr. Boyd
 
DMF said:
This is very helpful to know! What determines which are shared…for example, St. Edith Stein. Would she be in both, and what would determine that?

Thank you!
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I believe that St Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) is an optional memorial for O.Carm. and a memorial for O.C.D., I will check the book when I am able to get to the chapel later today and let you know for sure.
FrRJBoyd said:
I closed the old domain and moved the page to a free web hosting site; the .pdf’s are now available here:

bronxvilleocds.x10hosting.com/books.htm

God bless,

Fr. Boyd
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Great site for the O.C.D. propers but one question, as the Discaled Carmelites were not their own order until a year or so after the death of St John of the Cross shouldn’t both St Teresa and St John be listed as O.Carm.?
 
ByzCath said:
Great site for the O.C.D. propers but one question, as the Discaled Carmelites were not their own order until a year or so after the death of St John of the Cross shouldn’t both St Teresa and St John be listed as O.Carm.?
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