Cartoons of Mohammid??

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Approaching this from the important issues raised in Pope Benedict XVI’s recent Encyclical [Deus Caritas Est * (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/b...ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html),* we have here on the one hand an offence against Charity, and on the other, an offence against Justice. The cartoons were certainly uncharitable, and as Christians we must likewise condemn them, however, it is not the duty of the State to exercise charity, and the Muslim reaction to this is completely ridiculous and unjust. Now, we can respond in several ways:
  • uncharitably, and unjustly
  • charitably, but unjustly,
  • uncharitably, but justly
  • charitably and justly
The first is how Muslims are responding to the situation. Let’s not follow their example, please.
The second is how some sentimental types would respond; all love and no truth is only half the answer, in fact it is destructive.
The third is how the secular society is willing to respond–a cold enforcement of raw western ‘values,’ completely devoid of empathy.

The last way is how we as Christians should respond. We must reject the offensive motivations of the cartoons themselves and respect the hurt experienced in the Muslim community. These are real people with very deep beliefs and it is a sin to openly insult them. The ultimate goal is to bring people to Christ and that is only done by appealing to hearts. We cannot, however, simply turn a blind eye to the offences against justice which Islam is perpetrating–we must uphold the freedoms necessary for a just society, and one of those is freedom of speech/press. We cannot allow ourselves to be bullied by those who incline toward a totalitarian mindset.
Appeasement failed already, miserably, remember?
 
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BillM7985:
Let me start by saying that to denigrate another religion is completely offensive to me.
I find the response even more offensive.
It is said by many that “Islam is a religion of peace?”
Here is a sample of their protest signs.

EUROPE YOU WILL PAY BIN LADEN IS [ON THE?] WAY
EUROPE TAKE SOME ANSWERS FROM 9/11
ANNIHILATE THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM
BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM
EXTERMINATE THOSE WHO SLANDER ISLAM
BUTCHER THOSE WHO MOCK ISLAM
EUPORE YOU WILL PAY DEMOLITION IS ON ITS WAY
DEATH TO FRANCE

You can see them for yourself at
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060203/ts_alt_afp/europeislammediaus
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There can be no negotiating with these people. They are not rational.

Look through the slideshow on the Yahoo link.

We’re dealing with the Borg here, folks. Either we become exactly like them, or their life’s mission is to exterminate us, like insects.

I’m just afraid that by the time the leftist media and the politically-correct “tolerance-at-all-costs” liberals figure this out, it’ll be too late.
 
Hi all!

So…from the English website of the Israeli daily Ha’aretz:
European Islamists post cartoons depicting Anne Frank, Hitler in bed

by News Agencies

A Belgian-Dutch Islamic political organization posted anti-Jewish cartoons on its Web site in response to the cartoons of the prophet Mohammed that appeared in Danish papers last year and offended many
Muslims.

The cartoons were posted on the Arab European League’s site on Saturday. It was not working Sunday morning because of exceeded bandwidth.

(…).

One of the AEL cartoons displayed an image of Dutch Holocaust victim Anne Frank in bed with Adolf Hitler, and another questioned whether the Holocaust actually occurred.

(cont.)
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Link: haaretz.com/hasen/spages/678639.html

You know what?

Not only am I not offended, but I couldn’t care less. This is beneath my notice.

Be well!

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The Nazi spectre rises again—in some of the oddest places, and in some of the oddest ways…

Adolf Hitler, basking in the intense heat of his current residence, must be laughing his head off.
 
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Neithan:
Approaching this from the important issues raised in Pope Benedict XVI’s recent Encyclical [Deus Caritas Est * (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/b...ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html),* we have here on the one hand an offence against Charity, and on the other, an offence against Justice. The cartoons were certainly uncharitable, and as Christians we must likewise condemn them, however, it is not the duty of the State to exercise charity, and the Muslim reaction to this is completely ridiculous and unjust. Now, we can respond in several ways:
  • uncharitably, and unjustly
  • charitably, but unjustly,
  • uncharitably, but justly
  • charitably and justly
The first is how Muslims are responding to the situation. Let’s not follow their example, please.
The second is how some sentimental types would respond; all love and no truth is only half the answer, in fact it is destructive.
The third is how the secular society is willing to respond–a cold enforcement of raw western ‘values,’ completely devoid of empathy.

The last way is how we as Christians should respond. We must reject the offensive motivations of the cartoons themselves and respect the hurt experienced in the Muslim community. These are real people with very deep beliefs and it is a sin to openly insult them. The ultimate goal is to bring people to Christ and that is only done by appealing to hearts. We cannot, however, simply turn a blind eye to the offences against justice which Islam is perpetrating–we must uphold the freedoms necessary for a just society, and one of those is freedom of speech/press. We cannot allow ourselves to be bullied by those who incline toward a totalitarian mindset.
Appeasement failed already, miserably, remember?
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Well said Neithan!

Rachel
 
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Wolseley:
There can be no negotiating with these people. They are not rational.

Look through the slideshow on the Yahoo link.

We’re dealing with the Borg here, folks. Either we become exactly like them, or their life’s mission is to exterminate us, like insects.

I’m just afraid that by the time the leftist media and the politically-correct “tolerance-at-all-costs” liberals figure this out, it’ll be too late.
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If us humans cannot negotiate with this life form, or satisfy them somehow, what is there left to do?
 
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MikeinSD:
If us humans cannot negotiate with this life form, or satisfy them somehow, what is there left to do?
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What can we do? Well, I love that line from ‘Fiddler on the Roof’ where one of the Jewish villagers asks the venerable old Rabbi “Rabbi, is there a blessing for the Tsar?”. The sweet old man replies "Why certainly, my son; May God bless and keep the Tsar… FAR AWAY FROM US!!”

In other words, we can pray for them, but we don’t have to invite them into our homes…:rolleyes:
(Or our countries)
 
The outrage in the Muslim countries in regards to these cartoons reminds me of a story. It is this:
This lady files a complain with the phone company and the police because she keeps getting this obscene caller. The lady says that this guy calls every day at 3PM. She answers the phone and then the and the lady reports that “this man was tells me the most ugliest filthiest things for over 40 mins each day!!”
So my question would be, if Muslims do not allow cartoons, portrayals, etc, of Mohammed, are they been shown these cartoons over the TV’s, the press in their countries? If so are they not as quilty as the original perpetrators?
 
se~orcampana:
Does anyone have a link for the cartoons of Mohammid that are causing such an uproar in Europe and the rest of the world?

I’d like to see em and judge for myself. 👍

Anyway, radical Muslims who are causing so much trouble over a cartoon are doing their religion no service. Getting so angry over a cartoon that someone has every right to publish in a secular country like Denmark is weak on the Muslims part.

If I got my shotgun out and fired in the air every time someone blasted Jesus I’d be broke from spending all my money on shotgun shells!!(hey, maybe I could load my own) 😃

Take a chill pill radical Muslims 😉

Peace and love from Texas, the land of the National Champs!!!
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As the muzzie fanaticism escalates so are the creation of new and more interesting muhammad cartoons. The complete cartoons can be found in www.faithfreedom.org
 
Hi all!

I submit the following:
The right to satirise is not the right to injure or humiliate

The Conference of European Rabbis expresses its concern at recent publications by European press organs which humiliate and disparage the feelings of Muslims.

“I share the anger of Muslims at these cartoons and I understand it,” CER President and Chief Rabbi of France Joseph Sitruk said.

Rabbi Sitruk said that the publication of cartoons depicting the Muslim Prophet Mohammed by the Danish daily, Jyllands-Posten, and their subsequent publication by other European press organs, showed “a lack of intellectual honesty and a deep lack of respect for the feelings of others.”

“We gain nothing by disparaging religions, by humiliating people and by making caricatures of religious symbols. But even these actions must never be allowed to justify a response which is completely out of proportion to understandable feelings of anger. Nothing in our shared monotheist traditions can justify violence and blind hatred,” Rabbi Sitruk added.

The CER president pointed out that the increasing tendency of a lack of respect towards religion was not confined to the West.

“Jews are all too familiar with caricatures of hate which appear with increasing regularity today particularly in the Middle East. Such forms of what is wrongly called freedom of expression are unacceptable whether in Syria or in Denmark,” Rabbi Sitruk said.

“Everyone has the right to think whatever he wishes, but the right to express and the right to satire do not confer the right to humiliate and to injure,” he added.

The Conference of European Rabbis federates Jewish religious leaders in over 40 countries and includes all the continent’s chief rabbis and senior rabbinical judges. The CER holds consultancy status at the Council of Europe and within the institutions of the European Union.
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Link: cer-online.org/en/DisplayRelease.asp?ID=35

It seems to me that this is very similar to the Vatican statement that JamesG cited above on February 4.

Be well!

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BillM7985:
Let me start by saying that to denigrate another religion is completely offensive to me.
I find the response even more offensive.
It is said by many that “Islam is a religion of peace?”
Here is a sample of their protest signs.

EUROPE YOU WILL PAY BIN LADEN IS [ON THE?] WAY
EUROPE TAKE SOME ANSWERS FROM 9/11
ANNIHILATE THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM
BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT ISLAM
EXTERMINATE THOSE WHO SLANDER ISLAM
BUTCHER THOSE WHO MOCK ISLAM
EUPORE YOU WILL PAY DEMOLITION IS ON ITS WAY
DEATH TO FRANCE

You can see them for yourself at
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060203/ts_alt_afp/europeislammediaus
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Satirical cartoons have been around for many centuries. And yes, some may be in bad taste but that is no reason to go on a rampage and destroy properties.

Muslims only are bound not to make images of Muhammed not the rest of the world. We in the west have no restrictions nor should we. You are restricted because of your faith, and is commmendable, but those who have the freedom of the press will eventually post something that dosnt agree with your faith or thinking. But hey, thats what freedom and democracy is all about.

Now if it is your plan to eliminate freedom and democracy in the west than you will have a war on your hands I can guarantee it.
 
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StMarkEofE:
Satirical cartoons have been around for many centuries. And yes, some may be in bad taste but that is no reason to go on a rampage and destroy properties.

Muslims only are bound not to make images of Muhammed not the rest of the world. We in the west have no restrictions nor should we. You are restricted because of your faith, and is commmendable, but those who have the freedom of the press will eventually post something that dosnt agree with your faith or thinking. But hey, thats what freedom and democracy is all about.

Now if it is your plan to eliminate freedom and democracy in the west than you will have a war on your hands I can guarantee it.
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Well Said!
 
se~orcampana:
Does anyone have a link for the cartoons of Mohammid that are causing such an uproar in Europe and the rest of the world?

I’d like to see em and judge for myself. 👍

Anyway, radical Muslims who are causing so much trouble over a cartoon are doing their religion no service. Getting so angry over a cartoon that someone has every right to publish in a secular country like Denmark is weak on the Muslims part.

If I got my shotgun out and fired in the air every time someone blasted Jesus I’d be broke from spending all my money on shotgun shells!!(hey, maybe I could load my own) 😃

Take a chill pill radical Muslims 😉

Peace and love from Texas, the land of the National Champs!!!
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Your wish, is granted:​

But first, this:

tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm

“A selection of cartoons from the media of seven Arab countries (Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain, Syria and Egypt) and from the Palestinian Authority is displayed below. A number of these countries are regarded as moderate or allied to the West. Most print media in the Arab world are under the full or partial control of the ruling regimes…”

From the Mohammed Image Archive:

zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

“This is what the original Jyllands-Posten page looked like. Notice that there were only 12 cartoons.” [omitted in this post.]

“Yet when a delegation of Danish imams went to the Middle East to “discuss” the issue of the cartoons with senior officials and prominent Islamic scholars, the imams openly distributed a booklet that showed 15 images – not only the original 12 cartoons, but three fraudulent anti-Mohammed depictions that were much more offensive than the ones published in Denmark. It is now thought that these three bonus images are what ignited the outrage in the Muslim world. The newspaper Ekstra Bladet obtained a copy of the booklet and presented the three offensive images on its Web site (though not in an easy-to-find place). All look like low-quality photocopies.”

The page takes a while to load, but is well worth the wait. It has a mass of depictions of all kinds and times - and it includes the 12 cartoons; and the other three.

More details about the latter, here:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/2006_02.htm.

Go to: THE LIES OF THE DANISH IMAMS

"Lorenzo Vidino at The Counterterrorism Blog follows up on his report about how a delegation of Danish imams led by Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban disseminated fake anti-Muslim cartoons and attributed them to the Jyllands-Posten to stir up Islamist rage:

“Last Friday the CT Blog revealed how a delegation of Danish Muslims, led by Copenhagen imam Abu Laban, toured the Middle East in December and showed fabricated cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed in a very offensive fashion, even though the pictures had never appeared on Jyllands Posten.”" ##
 
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spiritblows:
Well Said!
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There is one thing you can not take away from the Muslims, and it is their ability to arouse universal opinion and reaction when they want to. Man is that power or what???
 
I heard on the radio this morning that Iran is going to run a series of cartoons depicting the Holocaust to see if the West has the same opinion of free speech then. I wonder what they are going to do when we say the cartoons are tasteless, but that they have a right to publish them and then we don’t riot and threaten to behead the Ayatollah?
 
George Waters:
I heard on the radio this morning that Iran is going to run a series of cartoons depicting the Holocaust to see if the West has the same opinion of free speech then. I wonder what they are going to do when we say the cartoons are tasteless, but that they have a right to publish them and then we don’t riot and threaten to behead the Ayatollah?
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Two Muslims who are not bothered by the cartoons: michellemalkin.com/​

"Iraqi Muslim blogger Omar at IraqtheModel weighs in:

You know that those cartoons were published for the 1st time months ago and we here in the Middle East have tonnes of jokes about Allah, the prophets and the angels that are way more offensive, funny and obscene than those poorly-made cartoons, yet no one ever got shot for telling one of those jokes or at least we had never seen rallies and protests against those infidel joke-tellers.

What I want to say is that I think the reactions were planned to be exaggerated this time by some Middle Eastern regimes and are not mere public reaction.
And I think Syria and Iran have the motives to trigger such reactions in order to get away from the pressures applied by the international community on those regimes.

However, I cannot claim that Muslim community is innocent for there have been outrageous reactions outside the range of Syria’s or Iran’s influence but again, these protests and threats are more political than religious in nature.

One last thing, even if the entire EU apologizes it won’t change a thing; fanatics in our countries here had always considered the west their infidel arrogant crusader enemy and no apology no matter how big or sincere can change that.

Iraqi Muslim blogger Zeyda at Healing Iraq:

I only saw these images of Muslim protestors in London today. For the life of me, I cannot understand how the British police let those demonstrators get away with it. The protestors are blasting free speech in Europe, yet they are using that same free speech to call for murder and bloodshed. I would strongly support deporting those people back to the miserable societies they originally came from."

I wish all Muslims were like that ##
 
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